Is there anybody who thinks Pacquiao wasn't using PEDs?

[generalbulldog]

Doesn't explain why Pac's camp sent Mayweather's camp two emails asking what the penalty was if Pac tested positive and if it could be kept a secret if he did test positive.

Are those questions that someone clean would ask?

Didn't we went through this 5 years ago around '09? Maybe he is on something, maybe he isn't. But then again the Mayweather camp came up with A-side Meth? You know that bullshit about Filipinos running through bullets against American troops like Superman accusation? That's the reason why the PED stuff died down with Pacquiao, because that shit was too stupid to believe.

And about the Atlas Email, I remember when that came out he said he was going to follow up on it. Never did. That was almost 5 years back. Probably because the A-side meth shit was too ridiculous.

[Mr140]

Listen Flydoe Mayweather gave Pac a good deal or may i say arum a good deal. He said he to would take the test so by Pac not taking better tasting turning it down is as much of duck as Mayweather has done. I blame both of them but Pac was doing peds and guess his trainers didn't know how not to fail the test so the fight did not happen. I have no problems with peds most athletes take them in boxing because testing is so easy to pass but Pac was afraid of the test and Mayweather i guess not because he does it every fight now.

[Julius Rain]

Doesn't explain why Pac's camp sent Mayweather's camp two emails asking what the penalty was if Pac tested positive and if it could be kept a secret if he did test positive.

Are those questions that someone clean would ask?

Didn't we went through this 5 years ago around '09? Maybe he is on something, maybe he isn't. But then again the Mayweather camp came up with A-side Meth? You know that bullshit about Filipinos running through bullets against American troops like Superman accusation? That's the reason why the PED stuff died down with Pacquiao, because that shit was too stupid to believe.

And about the Atlas Email, I remember when that came out he said he was going to follow up on it. Never did. That was almost 5 years back. Probably because the A-side meth shit was too ridiculous.

Atlas is the great pretender. Plus he has always been anti-pac so if you think his story is credible, I feel bad for you. Even Floyd has never mention an email about that. ATlast make shit up, dumb mofo trying be relevant.

The only mofo who think pac got on PED are anti-pac cause pac whoop on their boys or floyd fans. GTFO of here.

The guy has always been an accumulative punher with great stamina. Nothing change but the size of his opponent and the lack of speed of his opponent making him look even faster. Look at the last guy he knock out with one punch was ricky hatton at 140 and david diaz at 135. Pac should be fighting at 140 if not 135 and he would likely still have his one punch power. Above that he relies on accumulative punches and speed. Name a guy who works harder in the gym, none. He hasn't even gain much weight. Back in his 126-130 days he would ballon up to 145 for fight night. Guess what he weighs for fight night fighting at 147? 145!!!!

Ofcourse its pointless to say any of these cause its impossible to argue with dumb ass delusional mofos!!! Believe what you wanna believe to make your world happier.

[Mr140]

Look i am Holyfeild fan most people say he did roids and they may be right but in a 26 year career Holyfeild never failed a drug test. If a man that high profile could get away with using enhancer for that fucking long don;t you think stars today can do the same thing the testing even the same.

[Julius Rain]

Look i am Holyfeild fan most people say he did roids and they may be right but in a 26 year career Holyfeild never failed a drug test. If a man that high profile could get away with using enhancer for that fucking long don;t you think stars today can do the same thing the testing even the same.

You think Pac has done PED and not Floyd. Who only fights in 1 state where an injection for his hands is legal? Without those injecion can he even last half a fight? Don't you call that performance enhancement? Floyd is a brilliant dude. He can throw off a lot of fools. Think about it, he has never done VADA. USADA is already an expose partner of GBP. And who is partner with GBP, not pac.

I would likely think floyd is on PED than Pac. Anybody who think Pac is on it and not JMM, Floyd, and other fighter is just anti-pac. Those two are more suspicious if your not deluded by hate.

Holyfield got away with it only until 26 years old, thats not even long at all. Pac is in his mid 30's and has been accused by haters but never failed a drug test. And he has done VADA for the Rios and Bradley fight. Again Floyd has never done VADA testing, nor has JMM. Bradley did too and JMM refused. Guess who is in JMM's corner a well known cheat. And all of a sudden JMM is knocking down welterweights and knocking out pac after 3 previous fights he couldn't even drop him. If thats not suspicious of all!?

[Addicted to_boxing]

Look i am Holyfeild fan most people say he did roids and they may be right but in a 26 year career Holyfeild never failed a drug test. If a man that high profile could get away with using enhancer for that fucking long don;t you think stars today can do the same thing the testing even the same.

You think Pac has done PED and not Floyd. Who only fights in 1 state where an injection for his hands is legal? Without those injecion can he even last half a fight? Don't you call that performance enhancement? Floyd is a brilliant dude. He can throw off a lot of fools. Think about it, he has never done VADA. USADA is already an expose partner of GBP. And who is partner with GBP, not pac.

I would likely think floyd is on PED than Pac. Anybody who think Pac is on it and not JMM, Floyd, and other fighter is just anti-pac. Those two are more suspicious if your not deluded by hate.

Holyfield got away with it only until 26 years old, thats not even long at all. Pac is in his mid 30's and has been accused by haters but never failed a drug test. And he has done VADA for the Rios and Bradley fight. Again Floyd has never done VADA testing, nor has JMM. Bradley did too and JMM refused. Guess who is in JMM's corner a well known cheat. And all of a sudden JMM is knocking down welterweights and knocking out pac after 3 previous fights he couldn't even drop him. If thats not suspicious of all!?

Come on Julius you are reaching Pac would never have to use PEDS to fend off the light hitting Rios & Bradley so therfore the open arms to VADA Prior to his decapitation by JMM he would not even take any test stop the hypocracy ! Bringing JMM into this crap is a futile attempt to admit your guy just got Clocked by the master counter puncher. " It was not a lucky punch as your fellow huggers claim" . JMM just did that same punch as in the Pac fight this last weekend to Alvarado and you saw the result. The only difference was Alvarado was not stepping into the punch quite like Pac did.

Ok so then you tell us all why Pac is not knocking down or knocking out welterweights now ? You claim JMM is juicing now because he knocks Pac out , does not phase bradley and knocksdown a stationary Alvarado? What logic is this ?All the while your god has not knocked out anyone like he used to in "MANY YEARS . So if what yo are saying the proof is in the pudding JMM and Mayweather are on PEDS then PAc must no longer be on PEDS !!!

Could be this be the reason he is fighting pillow punchers like Rios and Bradley. Pac would welcome a fight vs JMM for revene but will not step into the ring against a true welterweight puncher / Boxer like Garcia orThurman. Pac has never faced a young champion at his peak and natural weight class !! They have all been veterans of wars, in decline , old or coming off a loss, catch weight. Look at the record of all his opponents since he came into prominance and their state going into the fight ! JMM has been sole exception in his career and every fight has been controversial exept the last one.

[Julius Rain]

Look i am Holyfeild fan most people say he did roids and they may be right but in a 26 year career Holyfeild never failed a drug test. If a man that high profile could get away with using enhancer for that fucking long don;t you think stars today can do the same thing the testing even the same.

You think Pac has done PED and not Floyd. Who only fights in 1 state where an injection for his hands is legal? Without those injecion can he even last half a fight? Don't you call that performance enhancement? Floyd is a brilliant dude. He can throw off a lot of fools. Think about it, he has never done VADA. USADA is already an expose partner of GBP. And who is partner with GBP, not pac.

I would likely think floyd is on PED than Pac. Anybody who think Pac is on it and not JMM, Floyd, and other fighter is just anti-pac. Those two are more suspicious if your not deluded by hate.

Holyfield got away with it only until 26 years old, thats not even long at all. Pac is in his mid 30's and has been accused by haters but never failed a drug test. And he has done VADA for the Rios and Bradley fight. Again Floyd has never done VADA testing, nor has JMM. Bradley did too and JMM refused. Guess who is in JMM's corner a well known cheat. And all of a sudden JMM is knocking down welterweights and knocking out pac after 3 previous fights he couldn't even drop him. If thats not suspicious of all!?

Come on Julius you are reaching Pac would never have to use PEDS to fend off the light hitting Rios & Bradley so therfore the open arms to VADA Prior to his decapitation by JMM he would not even take any test stop the hypocracy ! Bringing JMM into this crap is a futile attempt to admit your guy just got Clocked by the master counter puncher. " It was not a lucky punch as your fellow huggers claim" . JMM just did that same punch as in the Pac fight this last weekend to Alvarado and you saw the result. The only difference was Alvarado was not stepping into the punch quite like Pac did.

Ok so then you tell us all why Pac is not knocking down or knocking out welterweights now ? You claim JMM is juicing now because he knocks Pac out , does not phase bradley and knocksdown a stationary Alvarado? What logic is this ?All the while your god has not knocked out anyone like he used to in "MANY YEARS . So if what yo are saying the proof is in the pudding JMM and Mayweather are on PEDS and PAc is no longer is on PEDS !!!

Could be this is the reason he is fighting pillow punchers like Rios and Bradley. Pac would welcome a fight vs JMM fro revene but will not step into the ring against a true welterweight puncher / Bosers like Garcia orThurman. Pac has never faced a young champion at his peak and natural weight class !! They have all been veterans of wars, in decline , old or coming off a loss, catch weight. Look at the record of all his opponents since he came into prominance and their state going into the fight ! JMM has been sole exception in his career and every fight has been controversial exept the last one.

STFU I'm not reading your bs.

[Julius Rain]

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-pac-peds.html

Go vote in that thread about this and read this guy name marblehead post.

Who is that guy and why I never seen him post before? I'm tired of the same dumb mofo saying the same shit over and over. Its good to see old heads refreshing and giving out classes.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Look i am Holyfeild fan most people say he did roids and they may be right but in a 26 year career Holyfeild never failed a drug test. If a man that high profile could get away with using enhancer for that fucking long don;t you think stars today can do the same thing the testing even the same.

You think Pac has done PED and not Floyd. Who only fights in 1 state where an injection for his hands is legal? Without those injecion can he even last half a fight? Don't you call that performance enhancement? Floyd is a brilliant dude. He can throw off a lot of fools. Think about it, he has never done VADA. USADA is already an expose partner of GBP. And who is partner with GBP, not pac.

I would likely think floyd is on PED than Pac. Anybody who think Pac is on it and not JMM, Floyd, and other fighter is just anti-pac. Those two are more suspicious if your not deluded by hate.

Holyfield got away with it only until 26 years old, thats not even long at all. Pac is in his mid 30's and has been accused by haters but never failed a drug test. And he has done VADA for the Rios and Bradley fight. Again Floyd has never done VADA testing, nor has JMM. Bradley did too and JMM refused. Guess who is in JMM's corner a well known cheat. And all of a sudden JMM is knocking down welterweights and knocking out pac after 3 previous fights he couldn't even drop him. If thats not suspicious of all!?

Come on Julius you are reaching Pac would never have to use PEDS to fend off the light hitting Rios & Bradley so therfore the open arms to VADA Prior to his decapitation by JMM he would not even take any test stop the hypocracy ! Bringing JMM into this crap is a futile attempt to admit your guy just got Clocked by the master counter puncher. " It was not a lucky punch as your fellow huggers claim" . JMM just did that same punch as in the Pac fight this last weekend to Alvarado and you saw the result. The only difference was Alvarado was not stepping into the punch quite like Pac did.

Ok so then you tell us all why Pac is not knocking down or knocking out welterweights now ? You claim JMM is juicing now because he knocks Pac out , does not phase bradley and knocksdown a stationary Alvarado? What logic is this ?All the while your god has not knocked out anyone like he used to in "MANY YEARS . So if what yo are saying the proof is in the pudding JMM and Mayweather are on PEDS and PAc is no longer is on PEDS !!!

Could be this is the reason he is fighting pillow punchers like Rios and Bradley. Pac would welcome a fight vs JMM fro revene but will not step into the ring against a true welterweight puncher / Bosers like Garcia orThurman. Pac has never faced a young champion at his peak and natural weight class !! They have all been veterans of wars, in decline , old or coming off a loss, catch weight. Look at the record of all his opponents since he came into prominance and their state going into the fight ! JMM has been sole exception in his career and every fight has been controversial exept the last one.

STFU I'm not reading your bs.

Of course not so STFU !! Here are the facts to shut your retarded pac hugging ass up ? No problem facts are facts ...... Pay attention to the opponents with an x to the left of box: The true definition of a Mass Marketed Cherry Picking Mutha Fucker ........

 Timothy Bradley - was undefeated coming off close decision over Marquez. (Good showing, never in doubt Pac would lose based on real events of first fight.) Safe fight as Bradley has no power. Not Pac’s fault.
x Brandon Rios - was coming of loss to Alvarado
x Juan Manuel Marquez – was coming in off UD over Fedchenko and controversial decision los prior to Pac. Pac got KTFO, was coming on strong in fight but not enroute to KO’ing out JMM as he has not KO’d anyone since Cotto in 2009.
 Timothy Bradley - was undefeated coming off TKO over washed up Casamayor ( I had him beating Bradley easily)
x Shane Mosley – was coming off a SD over Mora and a UD loss to Mayweather. Already washed up.
x Antonio Margarito - was coming off UD over Roberto Garcia and had just been KTFO by Shane Mosley before that. Fight was fought at a catch weight.
x Joshua Clottey – was coming off a SD loss to Miguel Cotto
x Miguel Cotto – coming off a SD Clottey and a TKO over Michael Jennings. Prior to that that he had just been beaten brutally and TKO’d by Margarito’s illegal wraps. Fought Cotto at a catch weight.
x Ricky Hatton – was coming off a TKO over the light hitting Malignaggi and an UD over Lazcano. Prior to that he was TKO by Mayweather.
x Oscar De La Hoya – was 3 & 3 in last six fights prior to Pac fight. In one of those fights Sturm was robbed so in reality ODLH in most minds was 2 & 4. Of those wins only a KO over a limited skilled Mayorga and an unimpressive UD over Forbes. Losses were SD to Mayweather, KO to Hopkins, UD to Mosley. All the fight listed above were fought over 150lbs the Pac fight was at 142 lbs in 2006. The last time ODLH had fought below 142 was to Miguel Angel Gonzalez was in 1997 at 140lbs. Oscar was a walking corpse the night of the fight severely weight drained. All this bullshit stacked against ODLH launched the mega Pac farce. This was no special feat!!! Same pattern he entered bout coming off UD over Forbes and SD loss to Mayweather.
 David Diaz - Limited skilled champion Pac chose over more competitive fighter to capture another belt at another weigh class. Bottom line he earned it but was a calculated picked opponent.
x Manuel Marquez – coming off KO over Jaca and TKO over Kokiegym. Prior to that JMM had lost a UD to John in a fight he really won.
x Marco Antonio Barrera – was coming off a UD loss to JMM. Older and battle worn
 Jorge Solis – On his game but was never an upper tier fighter & did not enter the fight on a recent loss like most Pac’s opponents.
x Eric Morales – Pac won fights two and three vs. Morales as he came off UD loss to Zahir Raheem
x Oscar Larios – coming off TKO loss to Israel Vasquez

The facts are presented to you above not rhetoric strictly facts!! Top Rank has made a living off pitting Pac against Marque names in decline knowing the public is stupid enough to buy based on emotion and not its ‘conscience or attention to fighters current state. After Morales win against Pac Top Rank made sure all Pac’s opponents met these criteria
• A loss in last three fights with an uncanny number which happen to be their last fight. See for yourself no need to take my word.
• Straight forward fighter with no lateral movement
• No one punch KO power
• Must be over aged
• Fight larger fighters at catch weight and weight drain them.
• Have lost to Mayweather already

Then after Mayweather accused Pac of PED his muscle mass, power and KO’s disappeared. It is so strange how Pac manages to be in the driver’s seat vs. JMM despites getting his ass blown off so bad he forget about his fear of needles and now says “Hello VADA”!! JMM covets a Welterweight Title to be Mexico’s greatest of all time. However he does not need to fight Pac to get that last belt. JMM has a tough decision to make:

Fight another titlist and show that you are more enamored with history than money. There is no need to fight Pac again as there was no controversy in last fight. Pac has a belt JMM has KO memory of a lifetime. There is no need for him to take the fight in Macau (a stone’s throw from the Philippines) he will “NEVER” win a decision there especially with Pac’s new style. In addition he will be served the lower % of the $$$$. The deck is severely stacked against JMM. Negotiate 1 of the 3 elements. Pac gets the pay and the ability to exact revenge and you pick the site. Stage a farewell to your fans in Mexico or a select city in the Americas / Caribbean where garnished taxes would not be the issue. Not giving Pac the fight is not a question of fear as there have already been 4 fights. It is a matter of integrity and caving in to Arum makes him the real loser. That is unless he manages to KO Pac again then the citizen of the Philippines will not cry again but probably commit suicide , unregister from Saddo or come up with the excuse of all excuses ……