Is there anybody who thinks Pacquiao wasn't using PEDs?

[pacfan]

This is enough explanation for me, of course it will not convince anyone who don't want to be convinced...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpVY6D-MI7Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdY1xZ3fh20

He most likely has never seen a doc during his younger days; there's hardly any doc for poor folks here especially in the countryside.

[Violent Demise]

Pac and his camp some how got Floyd to agree to 50-50. When they asked for the ludicrous penalty of 10 million for every pound Floyd came in over weight it was accepted. Now the only thing left for this much hyped fight to happen is the drug testing. Floyd said he'll take the same tests Manny would be taking. Pacquiao (insert lame ass excuse here) said no. You gotta be a complete idiot to not see he was clearly hiding something

[Beanflicker]

Doesn't explain why Pac's camp sent Mayweather's camp two emails asking what the penalty was if Pac tested positive and if it could be kept a secret if he did test positive.

Are those questions that someone clean would ask?

[Max Power]

Of course Pac was using PED's.

I'm a big fan of Pac but come on!

As if anybody would dispute that!

[zhubin]

The biggest myth about PED's is that "big muscles" are the main giveaway that an athlete is using. PED's are used for endurance and recovery as much as power. Testing in general is way behind the drugs. Add to that the fact that sports are a big business....and the organizing bodies and sponsors would hate to see superstars be found out as cheats. Lance Armstrong is a perfect example. The French where suspicious of him for YEARS...but we here in the states thought it was sour grapes...how could this cancer survivor be a cheat?! He took all the tests, etc. Up to the last moment...when Lance finally admitted he cheated...some of his fans where trying to defend him. While it certainly shouldn't always be the case...it seems athletes that come under suspicion for PEDs...are more often then not....guilty.

[Kirkland Laing]

There's only one fighter that has agreed to 24/7/365 random testing and that's Donaire. No other fighter has signed up for it despite it being available to them for free. Donaire says he can't even put four pounds of lean muscle on his frame due to all the cardio a twelve round fighter has to do.

Res ipsa loquitur.

[Max Power]

Yep, the fact of the matter is MOST professional boxers at top level HAVE to use PEDs.

I am sure Pac is not alone.

You can hardly train for boxing at the required level as the modern fighter must to be competitive without breaking down via sickness, fatigue or injury and/or retain your lean body mass let alone increase it.

The testing is routinely beat.

That's unfortunately the nature of pro sport in general these days I am afraid.

[generalbulldog]

Doesn't explain why Pac's camp sent Mayweather's camp two emails asking what the penalty was if Pac tested positive and if it could be kept a secret if he did test positive.

Are those questions that someone clean would ask?

Didn't we went through this 5 years ago around '09? Maybe he is on something, maybe he isn't. But then again the Mayweather camp came up with A-side Meth? You know that bullshit about Filipinos running through bullets against American troops like Superman accusation? That's the reason why the PED stuff died down with Pacquiao, because that shit was too stupid to believe.

And about the Atlas Email, I remember when that came out he said he was going to follow up on it. Never did. That was almost 5 years back. Probably because the A-side meth shit was too ridiculous.

[Mr140]

Listen Flydoe Mayweather gave Pac a good deal or may i say arum a good deal. He said he to would take the test so by Pac not taking better tasting turning it down is as much of duck as Mayweather has done. I blame both of them but Pac was doing peds and guess his trainers didn't know how not to fail the test so the fight did not happen. I have no problems with peds most athletes take them in boxing because testing is so easy to pass but Pac was afraid of the test and Mayweather i guess not because he does it every fight now.

[Julius Rain]

Doesn't explain why Pac's camp sent Mayweather's camp two emails asking what the penalty was if Pac tested positive and if it could be kept a secret if he did test positive.

Are those questions that someone clean would ask?

Didn't we went through this 5 years ago around '09? Maybe he is on something, maybe he isn't. But then again the Mayweather camp came up with A-side Meth? You know that bullshit about Filipinos running through bullets against American troops like Superman accusation? That's the reason why the PED stuff died down with Pacquiao, because that shit was too stupid to believe.

And about the Atlas Email, I remember when that came out he said he was going to follow up on it. Never did. That was almost 5 years back. Probably because the A-side meth shit was too ridiculous.

Atlas is the great pretender. Plus he has always been anti-pac so if you think his story is credible, I feel bad for you. Even Floyd has never mention an email about that. ATlast make shit up, dumb mofo trying be relevant.

The only mofo who think pac got on PED are anti-pac cause pac whoop on their boys or floyd fans. GTFO of here.

The guy has always been an accumulative punher with great stamina. Nothing change but the size of his opponent and the lack of speed of his opponent making him look even faster. Look at the last guy he knock out with one punch was ricky hatton at 140 and david diaz at 135. Pac should be fighting at 140 if not 135 and he would likely still have his one punch power. Above that he relies on accumulative punches and speed. Name a guy who works harder in the gym, none. He hasn't even gain much weight. Back in his 126-130 days he would ballon up to 145 for fight night. Guess what he weighs for fight night fighting at 147? 145!!!!

Ofcourse its pointless to say any of these cause its impossible to argue with dumb ass delusional mofos!!! Believe what you wanna believe to make your world happier.

[Mr140]

Look i am Holyfeild fan most people say he did roids and they may be right but in a 26 year career Holyfeild never failed a drug test. If a man that high profile could get away with using enhancer for that fucking long don;t you think stars today can do the same thing the testing even the same.

[Julius Rain]

Look i am Holyfeild fan most people say he did roids and they may be right but in a 26 year career Holyfeild never failed a drug test. If a man that high profile could get away with using enhancer for that fucking long don;t you think stars today can do the same thing the testing even the same.

You think Pac has done PED and not Floyd. Who only fights in 1 state where an injection for his hands is legal? Without those injecion can he even last half a fight? Don't you call that performance enhancement? Floyd is a brilliant dude. He can throw off a lot of fools. Think about it, he has never done VADA. USADA is already an expose partner of GBP. And who is partner with GBP, not pac.

I would likely think floyd is on PED than Pac. Anybody who think Pac is on it and not JMM, Floyd, and other fighter is just anti-pac. Those two are more suspicious if your not deluded by hate.

Holyfield got away with it only until 26 years old, thats not even long at all. Pac is in his mid 30's and has been accused by haters but never failed a drug test. And he has done VADA for the Rios and Bradley fight. Again Floyd has never done VADA testing, nor has JMM. Bradley did too and JMM refused. Guess who is in JMM's corner a well known cheat. And all of a sudden JMM is knocking down welterweights and knocking out pac after 3 previous fights he couldn't even drop him. If thats not suspicious of all!?

[Addicted to_boxing]

Look i am Holyfeild fan most people say he did roids and they may be right but in a 26 year career Holyfeild never failed a drug test. If a man that high profile could get away with using enhancer for that fucking long don;t you think stars today can do the same thing the testing even the same.

You think Pac has done PED and not Floyd. Who only fights in 1 state where an injection for his hands is legal? Without those injecion can he even last half a fight? Don't you call that performance enhancement? Floyd is a brilliant dude. He can throw off a lot of fools. Think about it, he has never done VADA. USADA is already an expose partner of GBP. And who is partner with GBP, not pac.

I would likely think floyd is on PED than Pac. Anybody who think Pac is on it and not JMM, Floyd, and other fighter is just anti-pac. Those two are more suspicious if your not deluded by hate.

Holyfield got away with it only until 26 years old, thats not even long at all. Pac is in his mid 30's and has been accused by haters but never failed a drug test. And he has done VADA for the Rios and Bradley fight. Again Floyd has never done VADA testing, nor has JMM. Bradley did too and JMM refused. Guess who is in JMM's corner a well known cheat. And all of a sudden JMM is knocking down welterweights and knocking out pac after 3 previous fights he couldn't even drop him. If thats not suspicious of all!?

Come on Julius you are reaching Pac would never have to use PEDS to fend off the light hitting Rios & Bradley so therfore the open arms to VADA Prior to his decapitation by JMM he would not even take any test stop the hypocracy ! Bringing JMM into this crap is a futile attempt to admit your guy just got Clocked by the master counter puncher. " It was not a lucky punch as your fellow huggers claim" . JMM just did that same punch as in the Pac fight this last weekend to Alvarado and you saw the result. The only difference was Alvarado was not stepping into the punch quite like Pac did.

Ok so then you tell us all why Pac is not knocking down or knocking out welterweights now ? You claim JMM is juicing now because he knocks Pac out , does not phase bradley and knocksdown a stationary Alvarado? What logic is this ?All the while your god has not knocked out anyone like he used to in "MANY YEARS . So if what yo are saying the proof is in the pudding JMM and Mayweather are on PEDS then PAc must no longer be on PEDS !!!

Could be this be the reason he is fighting pillow punchers like Rios and Bradley. Pac would welcome a fight vs JMM for revene but will not step into the ring against a true welterweight puncher / Boxer like Garcia orThurman. Pac has never faced a young champion at his peak and natural weight class !! They have all been veterans of wars, in decline , old or coming off a loss, catch weight. Look at the record of all his opponents since he came into prominance and their state going into the fight ! JMM has been sole exception in his career and every fight has been controversial exept the last one.

[Julius Rain]

Look i am Holyfeild fan most people say he did roids and they may be right but in a 26 year career Holyfeild never failed a drug test. If a man that high profile could get away with using enhancer for that fucking long don;t you think stars today can do the same thing the testing even the same.

You think Pac has done PED and not Floyd. Who only fights in 1 state where an injection for his hands is legal? Without those injecion can he even last half a fight? Don't you call that performance enhancement? Floyd is a brilliant dude. He can throw off a lot of fools. Think about it, he has never done VADA. USADA is already an expose partner of GBP. And who is partner with GBP, not pac.

I would likely think floyd is on PED than Pac. Anybody who think Pac is on it and not JMM, Floyd, and other fighter is just anti-pac. Those two are more suspicious if your not deluded by hate.

Holyfield got away with it only until 26 years old, thats not even long at all. Pac is in his mid 30's and has been accused by haters but never failed a drug test. And he has done VADA for the Rios and Bradley fight. Again Floyd has never done VADA testing, nor has JMM. Bradley did too and JMM refused. Guess who is in JMM's corner a well known cheat. And all of a sudden JMM is knocking down welterweights and knocking out pac after 3 previous fights he couldn't even drop him. If thats not suspicious of all!?

Come on Julius you are reaching Pac would never have to use PEDS to fend off the light hitting Rios & Bradley so therfore the open arms to VADA Prior to his decapitation by JMM he would not even take any test stop the hypocracy ! Bringing JMM into this crap is a futile attempt to admit your guy just got Clocked by the master counter puncher. " It was not a lucky punch as your fellow huggers claim" . JMM just did that same punch as in the Pac fight this last weekend to Alvarado and you saw the result. The only difference was Alvarado was not stepping into the punch quite like Pac did.

Ok so then you tell us all why Pac is not knocking down or knocking out welterweights now ? You claim JMM is juicing now because he knocks Pac out , does not phase bradley and knocksdown a stationary Alvarado? What logic is this ?All the while your god has not knocked out anyone like he used to in "MANY YEARS . So if what yo are saying the proof is in the pudding JMM and Mayweather are on PEDS and PAc is no longer is on PEDS !!!

Could be this is the reason he is fighting pillow punchers like Rios and Bradley. Pac would welcome a fight vs JMM fro revene but will not step into the ring against a true welterweight puncher / Bosers like Garcia orThurman. Pac has never faced a young champion at his peak and natural weight class !! They have all been veterans of wars, in decline , old or coming off a loss, catch weight. Look at the record of all his opponents since he came into prominance and their state going into the fight ! JMM has been sole exception in his career and every fight has been controversial exept the last one.

STFU I'm not reading your bs.

[Julius Rain]

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-pac-peds.html

Go vote in that thread about this and read this guy name marblehead post.

Who is that guy and why I never seen him post before? I'm tired of the same dumb mofo saying the same shit over and over. Its good to see old heads refreshing and giving out classes.