Saurland Sign Groves

[Master]

He's not expecting to beat Froch then. If he isn't signed with Matchroom he isn't getting on Sky PPV and if he beats Froch he'd be able to coin it on Sky PPV with a Froch rematch, De Gale, Kessler etc.

You do not have to be a matchroom fighter to be on ppv, Haye and Khan are not.

Haye is a Matchroom fighter. He had to sign a deal with Matchroom -- despite having promoted himself (Hayemaker) on Setanta and Sky PPVs in the past -- to get the Fury fight on Sky PPV.

Khan isn't a Matchroom fighter and no longer gets on Sky PPV. Maybe Groves thinks he'll be such a superstar after he beats Froch that Sky will make an exception for him but they didn't for Haye who is a proven PPV seller.

Did not realise that about Haye.

[Kirkland Laing]

He's not expecting to beat Froch then. If he isn't signed with Matchroom he isn't getting on Sky PPV and if he beats Froch he'd be able to coin it on Sky PPV with a Froch rematch, De Gale, Kessler etc.

You do not have to be a matchroom fighter to be on ppv, Haye and Khan are not.

Haye is a Matchroom fighter. He had to sign a deal with Matchroom -- despite having promoted himself (Hayemaker) on Setanta and Sky PPVs in the past -- to get the Fury fight on Sky PPV.

Khan isn't a Matchroom fighter and no longer gets on Sky PPV. Maybe Groves thinks he'll be such a superstar after he beats Froch that Sky will make an exception for him but they didn't for Haye who is a proven PPV seller.

Did not realise that about Haye.

Matchroom Boxing : David Haye signs long term promotional agreement with Matchroom Sport

For years previous to this Haye and Booth talked about how carefully they'd managed his career and that he'd been paid his full value in every fight he'd been in for pther promoters and that as soon as he could he took control of his own career and had shown that self-promoted fighters could win a world heavyweight title and become PPV attractions in their own rights without needing a promoter to take a huge chunk of their earnings.

Then he goes and signs with Matchroom despite having done previous successful PPVs on Sky and Setanta with his own promotional company.

Matchroom have so much control over the boxing shown on Sky that they can dictate whether Sky show somebody or not. Whether this control will extend to nixing Groves from PPV if he wins the biggest fight ever held in Britain is another thing but Groves certainly can't be 100% sure in his mind right now that he'll still be on Sky if he beats Froch. Not least because he's signed to Sauerland and they have an exclusive agreement with Box Nation. Maybe that agreement doesn't extend to Groves, lots of maybes, but even if Groves isn't contractually prevented from doing a deal with Sky maybe Matchroom can nix it if they don't promote him.

[Beanflicker]

After he gets whipped by Froch again he won't be worth dick.

[Beanz]

He's not expecting to beat Froch then. If he isn't signed with Matchroom he isn't getting on Sky PPV and if he beats Froch he'd be able to coin it on Sky PPV with a Froch rematch, De Gale, Kessler etc.

You do not have to be a matchroom fighter to be on ppv, Haye and Khan are not.

Haye is a Matchroom fighter. He had to sign a deal with Matchroom -- despite having promoted himself (Hayemaker) on Setanta and Sky PPVs in the past -- to get the Fury fight on Sky PPV.

Khan isn't a Matchroom fighter and no longer gets on Sky PPV. Maybe Groves thinks he'll be such a superstar after he beats Froch that Sky will make an exception for him but they didn't for Haye who is a proven PPV seller.

Did not realise that about Haye.

Matchroom Boxing : David Haye signs long term promotional agreement with Matchroom Sport

For years previous to this Haye and Booth talked about how carefully they'd managed his career and that he'd been paid his full value in every fight he'd been in for pther promoters and that as soon as he could he took control of his own career and had shown that self-promoted fighters could win a world heavyweight title and become PPV attractions in their own rights without needing a promoter to take a huge chunk of their earnings.

Then he goes and signs with Matchroom despite having done previous successful PPVs on Sky and Setanta with his own promotional company.

Matchroom have so much control over the boxing shown on Sky that they can dictate whether Sky show somebody or not. Whether this control will extend to nixing Groves from PPV if he wins the biggest fight ever held in Britain is another thing but Groves certainly can't be 100% sure in his mind right now that he'll still be on Sky if he beats Froch. Not least because he's signed to Sauerland and they have an exclusive agreement with Box Nation. Maybe that agreement doesn't extend to Groves, lots of maybes, but even if Groves isn't contractually prevented from doing a deal with Sky maybe Matchroom can nix it if they don't promote him.

Saurland are already talking Abraham - Smith with Hearn

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/news/...ith-hearn.html

[Bo-Bo24]

Saurland obviously want to make inroads into the UK with the signing of Price and now Groves. Its an interesting move but I think if he wanted to become big abroad it was best if he avoided Matchroom, sure they pay well if you're on top but I don't like their alliance with Sky and some of the bullshit they come out with.

[Kirkland Laing]

He's not expecting to beat Froch then. If he isn't signed with Matchroom he isn't getting on Sky PPV and if he beats Froch he'd be able to coin it on Sky PPV with a Froch rematch, De Gale, Kessler etc.

You do not have to be a matchroom fighter to be on ppv, Haye and Khan are not.

Haye is a Matchroom fighter. He had to sign a deal with Matchroom -- despite having promoted himself (Hayemaker) on Setanta and Sky PPVs in the past -- to get the Fury fight on Sky PPV.

Khan isn't a Matchroom fighter and no longer gets on Sky PPV. Maybe Groves thinks he'll be such a superstar after he beats Froch that Sky will make an exception for him but they didn't for Haye who is a proven PPV seller.

Did not realise that about Haye.

Matchroom Boxing : David Haye signs long term promotional agreement with Matchroom Sport

For years previous to this Haye and Booth talked about how carefully they'd managed his career and that he'd been paid his full value in every fight he'd been in for pther promoters and that as soon as he could he took control of his own career and had shown that self-promoted fighters could win a world heavyweight title and become PPV attractions in their own rights without needing a promoter to take a huge chunk of their earnings.

Then he goes and signs with Matchroom despite having done previous successful PPVs on Sky and Setanta with his own promotional company.

Matchroom have so much control over the boxing shown on Sky that they can dictate whether Sky show somebody or not. Whether this control will extend to nixing Groves from PPV if he wins the biggest fight ever held in Britain is another thing but Groves certainly can't be 100% sure in his mind right now that he'll still be on Sky if he beats Froch. Not least because he's signed to Sauerland and they have an exclusive agreement with Box Nation. Maybe that agreement doesn't extend to Groves, lots of maybes, but even if Groves isn't contractually prevented from doing a deal with Sky maybe Matchroom can nix it if they don't promote him.

Saurland are already talking Abraham - Smith with Hearn

World Boxing News - Sauerland talks Groves future, sets up Abraham v Smith talks with Hearn

That's Smith going over to Germany as an opponent for the house fighter. It's like they did a deal for Rees to go to America and fight Broner.

Matchroom aren't going to want to give up excusivity on Sky for big fights because it affects their future profits.

Look at Anthony Joshua. Let's say that he develops into an exciting knockout TV fighter, wins a world title, becomes a big PPV attraction and goes on to have the career of a Lennox Lewis or an Audley Harrison.

At various points in that career his contract will be up. If he's seen Groves walk away from Matchroom and still get on Sky PPV it gives him far more negotiating room with Matchroom when it comes to new contracts if Matchroom can't block him from Sky PPV if he doesn't sign with them. Same goes for any other Matchroom fighters that become big attractions.

Matchroom have obviously used their leverage with Sky to force Haye to sign up with them. Haye never had more than a fight by fight deal with any promoter from his first fight, promoted himself as early as he could and then basically signed away the rest of his career to Matchroom so that he could get on Sky PPV.

Matchroom will do everything they can to keep Groves off Sky should he win. If the fight turns into another Hagler Hearns and Groves sparks Froch in a few rounds it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Imagine if Sauerland offer Sky Groves-Kessler followed by Groves-Abraham in two London stadium fights. Are Sky going to turn it down or do they actually have a complete exclusivity agreement with Matchroom?

[Fenster]

Groves seems to think he'll still be on Sky if he wins. The Sauerlands are oviously one of the best promotional outfits in the world but he must have known whether or not he was signing himself off SKY?

Matchroom have nothing to do with the international content Sky buy. Groves vs Abraham/Kessler in Germ/Den could still be SKY PPV