UK - Council and European Election

[Gandalf]

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

Firstly, I will say that I haven't been hoodwinked by anyone. Recent articles show that the numbers of people from Bulgaria and Romania for the first three months of the year is already substantial. Off my head something around 30,000 which as a comparison is about the same as the number of teachers here all with degrees and from developed nations after 30 years. A big difference - 3 months and 30,000! Now like I always said, let's look at the numbers a year or even a couple of years from now. Allowing uncontrolled immigration without any checks on quality will bring a flood and thus all the negative social consequences that come with it. Controlled immigration is the point.

In terms of me not voting. Well, as someone who doesn't contribute to the system I don't think I need to vote and especially when I now view the entire system as illegitimate. A system with a monarch, a parasitic political class, first past the post, banking corruption, economic apartheid etc is not democratic. Instead my views are something more anarchic and I see the system more as a city led occupation than anything else. Just as Israel builds settlements, we import immigrants and don't even build new settlements thus reducing wages, creating resentment, property bubbles, and a new feudalism with permanent apartheid economic systems. I don't think taking part in or supporting such a system is rational. Voting makes them think they have a mandate and they don't. I want nothing to do with it and I have taken the most dramatic steps to show that. I am angry about the choices I have had to make and the choices they continue to make to make it impossible for young people to succeed. It is worse than ever and they do nothing to rectify the mess that they have made.

Admittedly a vote for the Greens would be a vote in favor of policies I prefer, but my one vote from nowhere is tiny and like I say, the way I look at it is leave me alone and I will leave you alone. The amount of people voting for them would suggest that most don't think like me or you and therefore they are getting what they deserve by validating Westminster cronies. The rise of UKIP is a kind of waking up, but it is a 2 policy party only. Immigration and Europe is not enough when the rest is Conservatism. If I was living there, I would be more active and trying, but instead, I am simply trying to be what you term 'the good immigrant' and after years of wavering am moving on, so please don't attack me as though my vote is anything. If I vote Green it's still the same percentage point and nothing changes. It is cynical and bleak, but it's honest.

[Dark Lord Al]

Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

[Dark Lord Al]

Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

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You may not agree but I don't want to see filth like this on my streets. This is England and this is not acceptable and I cannot accept that anyone here wants this on their doorstep , or if you do please say.

[Gandalf]

I read all these articles and forget what I have read and seemingly I only had the Romanian numbers stored in my head. Combined with Bulgarians seemingly over 45,000 people from these two countries have registered for national insurance numbers in the first 3 months of 2014. Now obviously, this would only be the numbers of registered immigrants, so it's anyones guess how many are out undercutting honest workers and doing it on the sly. Logically you would assume it to be be far higher than 45,000.

45,000 is the size of a small town and it isn't as though new homes are being built in the UK which is in the middle of a housing bubble designed for fat Dave to get reelected as there are no other rabbits in the hat. Cue another housing and stocks collapse and thousands made homeless and bankrupt as interest rates creep up even a little bit. Then the rentier class can gobble all the houses up and rent them to families with 3 to a room who pool together and do whatever whilst another generation of Brits is lost into the ether or pushed into the workhouse or forced to evacuate and Victorian Britain comes back into vogue with the splendid addition of a police state. But of course the NHS must go, meanwhile the biggest predator and destroyer of lives, the RBS, must be protected at all costs. It's a joke and these people have no credibility or legitimacy and are the vilest and lowest of all human forms. I'm sick of them and my vote counts for nothing nor for anybody else in an age of bailouts, privatisation, student debt, immigration, Europe etc etc. None of this was voted for by a public mandate, none of it. It is completely illegitimate.

50,000 Romanian and Bulgarian migrants applied for work in UK in 3 months | Mail Online

[Dark Lord Al]

The simple fact is UKIP just won seats in the European election , so it seems lots of people agree with them .

[Master]

Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

Attachment 3172
You may not agree but I don't want to see filth like this on my streets. This is England and this is not acceptable and I cannot accept that anyone here wants this on their doorstep , or if you do please say.

Why do you see them as filth? They are women having sandwiches and enjoying conversation.

[Dark Lord Al]

Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

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You may not agree but I don't want to see filth like this on my streets. This is England and this is not acceptable and I cannot accept that anyone here wants this on their doorstep , or if you do please say.

Why do you see them as filth? They are women having sandwiches and enjoying conversation.

Romanian beggars , your welcome to them if you want them , but not for me my friend.
Or in your mind do you think they all come to the UK with £200,000 in the bank from their house sale back in Romania ?
Or do you accept they have nothing ?

[Gandalf]

Ukip's European elections win worrying, says Tony Blair | Politics | theguardian.com

To hell with you, Blair. You started this mess. You accepted Thatcher was right on privatisation, you secretly started unchecked immigration, you have destroyed the young people with debt, and allowed bankers to collapse a system as it wasn't regulated. Then you want to innocently ponder on the UKIP 'problem'. You are a scumbag and should have been on that first tank to Iraq.

I am sick of you popping up with your thoroughly unwanted point of view. You are a despicable and soulless human being and we all want you in The Hague. Will you please go away. Tosser.

[Dark Lord Al]

Ukip's European elections win worrying, says Tony Blair | Politics | theguardian.com

To hell with you, Blair. You started this mess. You accepted Thatcher was right on privatisation, you secretly started unchecked immigration, you have destroyed the young people with debt, and allowed bankers to collapse a system as it wasn't regulated. Then you want to innocently ponder on the UKIP 'problem'. You are a scumbag and should have been on that first tank to Iraq.

I am sick of you popping up with your thoroughly unwanted point of view. You are a despicable and soulless human being and we all want you in The Hague. Will you please go away. Tosser.

It amazes me that another person in this case Tony B Liar talks about Britain worrying about the rise of UKIP , who do these fuckwits think voted for UKIP ? Yes B Liar it was the British people. Another past politician who made a balls of it when he had the chance to do it right , now hes a fucking expert , what a surprise , fuck you B Lair .

[Dia bando]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

[Beanz]

Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses

"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."

The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.

[Dark Lord Al]

Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses

"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."

The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.

Maybe we can employ the thousands of non English speaking Romanian gypsies sleeping rough in our parks or begging on our streets in the NHS ? Good Idea.
Or are you saying they are all skilled English speaking nurses and doctors ?
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Doctors or Nurses ?

[Gandalf]

Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses

"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."

The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.

Isn't this an issue of Britain's University system being a complete failure rather than needing medical staff alone? Last year I taught classes of nursing students in this country and see that important jobs like this are being prepared for. If I go to hospital it is always a Korean nurse who speaks English and I appreciate that. Now why on earth are people in the UK studying English, or geography, when there is a demand for nursing?

It's easy to ignore the basic common sense that the system is simply failing British people. Schools encourage students to study crap and this is the cream of the crop now getting tens of thousands of pounds into debt as bank slaves. How about just being sensible and telling young people that nursing is useful, helpful, valued, and to guarantee conditions so that young people want to be nurses?

It is wrong to carry on this parade that 'We need these overseas workers'. We don't, we just need to accept that the system is fucked and to deal with it. England for the English isn't such a bad thing if you care about the English. If you don't then of course the media will spin it as Satanism.