UK - Council and European Election

[Beanz]

Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses

"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."

The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.

Isn't this an issue of Britain's University system being a complete failure rather than needing medical staff alone? Last year I taught classes of nursing students in this country and see that important jobs like this are being prepared for. If I go to hospital it is always a Korean nurse who speaks English and I appreciate that. Now why on earth are people in the UK studying English, or geography, when there is a demand for nursing?

It's easy to ignore the basic common sense that the system is simply failing British people. Schools encourage students to study crap and this is the cream of the crop now getting tens of thousands of pounds into debt as bank slaves. How about just being sensible and telling young people that nursing is useful, helpful, valued, and to guarantee conditions so that young people want to be nurses?

It is wrong to carry on this parade that 'We need these overseas workers'. We don't, we just need to accept that the system is fucked and to deal with it. England for the English isn't such a bad thing if you care about the English. If you don't then of course the media will spin it as Satanism.

Stop being so wilfully stupid. You do not live in England and go on and on about how it has changed and how you do not recognise it anymore and then in the same breath you arrogantly diagnose it from afar and prescribe an end to all it's woes as though the English themselves are nothing to do with it. I fucking live here 24 hours a day every day. I work in the Education system and seriously, truthfully, English kids do not want to work in Nursing or care because it is not seen as sexy. That is not the fault of a University that offers nursing and medical degrees that run half full because nobody wants to put the hard work in to finish the course. "England for the English" ? you sound like fucking Nick Griffin from the BNP.

Schools do not encourage students to study Krap and since when has English and Geography counted as Krap? you studied English or is it just Krap now? Not everybody wants to work in the healthcare system and so in a free Europe professionally qualified people with the right to work will move where the work is. You are the one spinning everything as Satanism because you can not simply accept that the world has moved on from your extremely boring, safe, straight conservative values. That is the hilarious truth of the matter for all your harping on you are the one stuck in his ways bemoaning Jonny foreigner and the fuzzy wuzzies taking over your beloved England whilst you swan it up in South Korea, flicking bogeys at an 80 year old lady from thousands of miles away.

Stop talking nonsense yourself then, GB.

I am speaking fact and fact only. I have taught nurses and they are generally the best students. There is no shortage of them and they will all find jobs and many will perform the jobs well. No country should have a nursing shortage. It is absurd if there is one. That is not my fault, but a failure of the Eton shits who run things there and the deluded crap schools who run things.

Geography is crap if it means my friend Dan now works in a bank. English is crap if it means Ed works in the supermarket. My history is useless if I use it to sell bets or teach English in a country not even my own. Schools are constantly telling the kids to study crap. Constantly.

All I can do is make comparisons and if they are based on experience all the better. Why doesn't Korea import nurses from Mongolia, or Japan, or China? Because we teach them here and I even taught them English. It works. Your system does not work. I know because I have seen the crud that is the English University system that now bankrupts every young person. It is a failure and I knew it then and they know it know. The anger is rising and it won't stop. The Gandalf moan has now become the zeitgeist.

I know it's an image you have of me just swanning overseas because I don't live there, but I don't swan around. In fact all I do is study language 4 hours everyday. Why do I do it? Because I have to make sure I never get fooled again. That's where me registering a vote and having a lot of hastle doing so gets lost. It's simply that I know the reality. The system is a con and people should react accordingly.

Every generation is significantly worse. This generation has way more debt than even I did and yes, the Queen is a bitch as her retarded offspring face none of the penalties of being born in England.

"Schools are constantly telling the kids to study crap. Constantly. "

You could have taught History here or did you not do your Masters until leaving? If Dan works in a Bank then what is the problem ? you are just mumbling nonsense now

"Your system does not work"

My system ? The British System ? The English system ? Which system ?

" I know because I have seen the crud that is the English University system"

really and what nobody else has ? what are you saying your degree is worthless ? my degree is worthless ?

"It is a failure and I knew it then and they know it know"

Are you sure you do not mean that you failed or it failed you and so you went abroad ?

[Gandalf]

Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses

"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."

The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.

Isn't this an issue of Britain's University system being a complete failure rather than needing medical staff alone? Last year I taught classes of nursing students in this country and see that important jobs like this are being prepared for. If I go to hospital it is always a Korean nurse who speaks English and I appreciate that. Now why on earth are people in the UK studying English, or geography, when there is a demand for nursing?

It's easy to ignore the basic common sense that the system is simply failing British people. Schools encourage students to study crap and this is the cream of the crop now getting tens of thousands of pounds into debt as bank slaves. How about just being sensible and telling young people that nursing is useful, helpful, valued, and to guarantee conditions so that young people want to be nurses?

It is wrong to carry on this parade that 'We need these overseas workers'. We don't, we just need to accept that the system is fucked and to deal with it. England for the English isn't such a bad thing if you care about the English. If you don't then of course the media will spin it as Satanism.

Stop being so wilfully stupid. You do not live in England and go on and on about how it has changed and how you do not recognise it anymore and then in the same breath you arrogantly diagnose it from afar and prescribe an end to all it's woes as though the English themselves are nothing to do with it. I fucking live here 24 hours a day every day. I work in the Education system and seriously, truthfully, English kids do not want to work in Nursing or care because it is not seen as sexy. That is not the fault of a University that offers nursing and medical degrees that run half full because nobody wants to put the hard work in to finish the course. "England for the English" ? you sound like fucking Nick Griffin from the BNP.

Schools do not encourage students to study Krap and since when has English and Geography counted as Krap? you studied English or is it just Krap now? Not everybody wants to work in the healthcare system and so in a free Europe professionally qualified people with the right to work will move where the work is. You are the one spinning everything as Satanism because you can not simply accept that the world has moved on from your extremely boring, safe, straight conservative values. That is the hilarious truth of the matter for all your harping on you are the one stuck in his ways bemoaning Jonny foreigner and the fuzzy wuzzies taking over your beloved England whilst you swan it up in South Korea, flicking bogeys at an 80 year old lady from thousands of miles away.

Stop talking nonsense yourself then, GB.

I am speaking fact and fact only. I have taught nurses and they are generally the best students. There is no shortage of them and they will all find jobs and many will perform the jobs well. No country should have a nursing shortage. It is absurd if there is one. That is not my fault, but a failure of the Eton shits who run things there and the deluded crap schools who run things.

Geography is crap if it means my friend Dan now works in a bank. English is crap if it means Ed works in the supermarket. My history is useless if I use it to sell bets or teach English in a country not even my own. Schools are constantly telling the kids to study crap. Constantly.

All I can do is make comparisons and if they are based on experience all the better. Why doesn't Korea import nurses from Mongolia, or Japan, or China? Because we teach them here and I even taught them English. It works. Your system does not work. I know because I have seen the crud that is the English University system that now bankrupts every young person. It is a failure and I knew it then and they know it know. The anger is rising and it won't stop. The Gandalf moan has now become the zeitgeist.

I know it's an image you have of me just swanning overseas because I don't live there, but I don't swan around. In fact all I do is study language 4 hours everyday. Why do I do it? Because I have to make sure I never get fooled again. That's where me registering a vote and having a lot of hastle doing so gets lost. It's simply that I know the reality. The system is a con and people should react accordingly.

Every generation is significantly worse. This generation has way more debt than even I did and yes, the Queen is a bitch as her retarded offspring face none of the penalties of being born in England.

"Schools are constantly telling the kids to study crap. Constantly. "

You could have taught History here or did you not do your Masters until leaving? If Dan works in a Bank then what is the problem ? you are just mumbling nonsense now

"Your system does not work"

My system ? The British System ? The English system ? Which system ?

" I know because I have seen the crud that is the English University system"

really and what nobody else has ? what are you saying your degree is worthless ? my degree is worthless ?

"It is a failure and I knew it then and they know it know"

Are you sure you do not mean that you failed or it failed you and so you went abroad ?

1. It is a fact the sixth forms have a vested interest to send students to do whatever.

2. The British bankruptcy inducing system. Most degrees are debt creation models only.

3. My Major in the UK was useless and for most is the same. They have it harder than me now.

4. No, I didn't fail. I gave up. If I was in the UK today, I would be bored running a branch of William Hills which is an evil corporation. Instead, I studied for an MA overseas and worked for the tertiary sector.

That doesn't improve anything though. I was doing what I could with a Britain that was declining and hated people like me. I was angry for years and still am. As a child I was made homeless and as an adult I lost my country. It is permanent war with bullshitters who really don't have any plan.

[Dia bando]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

Plenty of room we are not building houses mate, and what are being built people can't afford them
more people means more infrastructure, our roads are in a shit state we need more Hospitals, Schools,
and of course jobs. 64 million is a big population for a small Inland, we should be growing more of
our own food to support our needs.
To many people for our Inland I say we need skilled immigrants, the poor of east Europe do not benefit
GB as there money is sent back to there home country.
The only winners are the employers who use the excuse, to drop there wage bill by 2 or 3 £ per hour,
I no this as friends of mine have lost there jobs, because of this it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth
remember people will vote Ukip , because they feel this is unjust so I can not blame them one bit.
UKip are not for me but they sure do suit some people,! and it comes as no shock they gain support,
myself I would not give UKip the time of day, but one thing all the other party's have had to take stock
and change there policy's.

[Gandalf]

You are just being realistic, unlike Greenbeanz. His vote has no seat in reality and is reacting so. I don't blame him, he is a decent person. He is a very decent man.

[Dark Lord Al]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

[Dia bando]

You are just being realistic, unlike Greenbeanz. His vote has no seat in reality and is reacting so. I don't blame him, he is a decent person. He is a very decent man.

Yes I am being realistic I only make comment, on what I see were I live Miles and our vote
is our right, Beanz is a decent guy and I respect his views and others.
This is a debate and we all may learn something, this subject is very complicated and I feel
no quick fix will be found.

[Master]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

[Dark Lord Al]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

Still you fail to answer the question , there are immigrants living in parks and begging on streets , I feel this is unacceptable , if you don't , I repeats if its a park where your kids play or the street where you live , do you want them there ? because it is happening right now to others , where they live.
By the way I don't care for refugees or immigrants we don't want anymore of either , as a taxpayer I don't want to give these people a penny.
This isn't about the past , Asians / afro Caribbean's etc. , this is about now I don't want anymore.

[Master]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

Still you fail to answer the question , there are immigrants living in parks and begging on streets , I feel this is unacceptable , if you don't , I repeats if its a park where your kids play or the street where you live , do you want them there ? because it is happening right now to others , where they live.
By the way I don't care for refugees or immigrants we don't want anymore of either , as a taxpayer I don't want to give these people a penny.
This isn't about the past , Asians / afro Caribbean's etc. , this is about now I don't want anymore.

There is immigration, always has been and always will be. There are more people leaving than coming. We have an aging population and need people to pay for peoples pensions. I am sure these immigrants do not want to beg and sleep in parks but it seems they have no alternative.

[Dark Lord Al]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

Still you fail to answer the question , there are immigrants living in parks and begging on streets , I feel this is unacceptable , if you don't , I repeats if its a park where your kids play or the street where you live , do you want them there ? because it is happening right now to others , where they live.
By the way I don't care for refugees or immigrants we don't want anymore of either , as a taxpayer I don't want to give these people a penny.
This isn't about the past , Asians / afro Caribbean's etc. , this is about now I don't want anymore.

There is immigration, always has been and always will be. There are more people leaving than coming. We have an aging population and need people to pay for peoples pensions. I am sure these immigrants do not want to beg and sleep in parks but it seems they have no alternative.

It is happening people are living rough and begging its is happening in someone else's street and you still fail to answer the question , typical of the blinkered do gooders , listen to the masses .
I don't care if these people want to beg or not the fact is if I want to go to Canada or Australia to live I have to be vetted and have to have a job and a nest egg , so tell me please what someone with nothing actually brings to England ?

[Mark TKO]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues

I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough

[Beanz]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

[Dark Lord Al]

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.

BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

If that is true then the votes reflect that is the way we would like to keep it.
I will ask you again do you want the people from other countries sleeping rough in your street /parks your kids play in ?
If the answer is no then why should they be in anyone's street or park in this country ?
The vast majority of the country doesn't want any more immigrants from Europe or Africa , let sort our own ship out.
Seems you and Master are keen to get more , well fine thats your opinion but don't expect everyone else to agree with you.

Africa?

Yes there infiltration of African immigrants in the northwest area , seen with my own eyes my friend not from a bullshit statistic.
I ask again do you want the unskilled immigrants living rough in your streets or sleeping in the parks your kids play in ? using it as a toilet ? you still fail to answer . I have said many times its not something I want . Maybe Master can answer as you both seem to be keen on mass immigrants.

I am not keen on mass migration it is just a simple fact of life and one that has for centuries shaped the England and Britain we both live on. Sleeping rough is a fact of life for some people but the kind of picture that you paint is not one I am familiar with here in the south west. When I worked for the criminal justice system there were a few people who continued to use parks and streets as toilets despite warnings and they were offered hostels. They wanted to carry on drinking, refused the help and were banged up for a while. They were English. So no I do not want anybody having to live rough in parks or on the streets but it is something I have done. I have lived in a tent in the woods at Biggin Hill because I could not find work in Plymouth and so I found a Job working nights in a aeroparts warehouse but could not afford the deposit for a flat. After four weeks in the freezing cold winter I had saved enough deposit for a room in a shared house and worked for another six months before going back to the westcountry. I have done something similar in Italy before going to University back in England as a mature student to gain qualifications. I was unskilled labour and when the dockyards and factories closed down in the late 80's and the fishing fleet was decimated it was every bit as hard and poor down here and in Cornwall as the supposedly hard done by North.

I am not denying the galvanising power of UKIP. After years and years of not voting I felt compelled to vote this time in order to register a protest to not only the big three parties but also in response to the negative policies of UKIP. There is a third way between unchecked migration and no migration what so ever including refugees, and that is why I am constantly disappointed by the way Farrage's party seek to polarise the debate.

You may be disappointed by UKIP however lots of people in the uk are not , those are the facts.
Also please explain what an Englishman who has fallen on bad luck and living rough has to do with immigrants coming over here with nothing and living rough in parks and streets , are we to be a fucking free for all for the rest of the world ?

[Master]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues

I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough

The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.

[Dark Lord Al]

Dark Lord Al you are entitled to your opinion but do not mix refugees with immigrants.

Also the real issues are the bankers being subsidised, cuts in public services through dogma and political ideology and millionaires being allowed to avoid taxes.

yes those are issues - but just the same as what Al highlights you knobrot. All real issues

I was out in Leeds late other night and was shocked at the number on the streets in town centre just lined up in shop doorways. Enough

The rest and most of them are doing low paid jobs that most people on benefits do not want to do such as cleaning toilets, working in care homes and doing night shifts.

So you make the people on the dole do those job for fucks sake , you change the system , if an immigrant is on a low income he doesn't even pay tax , and we give his family and him health care and education , for fucks sake do the fucking maths .