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When did i bring up Ward his career still young never said he was atg. I am saying Froch is not maybe the hof fine but atg come on now. I mean does that make Kessler atg to because there about the same. Atg is a huge fucking thing for a man who was never the man in his own division don't you think.
Most would put Ward as an ATG (including me) but going by Resume his isnt much better then Froch. He also never fights away from home. Ward is 30 but going by his activity he dont have that many matches left in him.

I dont think Froch is an ATG at all. I actually dont rate him that highly at all. Groves is the only guy hes beaten who I think is any good and Ive always thought Groves was fragile. Kesseler is good but he looked pretty shot against Froch imo, Bute crumbled, Abraham and Taylor were MW and nowhere near top level at SMW
Does that mean that Ward is an all time great because he beat Froch
Well beating him so comfortably is impressive. Also beating a close to prime Kesseller helps. Things that go against him being an ATG is never fighting out of his country and rarely out of his own town. He should also move up in weight.