Joe beat some decent competition at 168. Kessler was a good win as was Lacy. Roy's win over Toney was better than any win Joe had, but Joe had more quality wins over a longer period and beat all of his top challengers where Roy missed quite a few. Based on quality of opposition and dominance I actually place Ward above both. I also think that Joes win over a past his prime Hop was razor thin and not very impressive (he out hustled him and didn't really beat Hop up). I think Hop and Roy beat Joe prime vs prime and Roy vs Ward is a pick em fight.