are we forgetting what the point of boxing is?

[powerpuncher]

You may not realise the difference between amateur and professional boxing.

Amateur is a sport.

Professional is a business.

Professional boxing was created to make money out of fighters. Promoters need personalities and excitment that fans want to see to help sell fights. If your fighter is bland and offers no excitiment you are going to struggle to sell tickets.

Have you paid to travel and watch Andre Ward fight? Have you paid to go and watch any other fighters?

so professional sports arent actually sports?

[ross]

You may not realise the difference between amateur and professional boxing.

Amateur is a sport.

Professional is a business.

Professional boxing was created to make money out of fighters. Promoters need personalities and excitment that fans want to see to help sell fights. If your fighter is bland and offers no excitiment you are going to struggle to sell tickets.

Have you paid to travel and watch Andre Ward fight? Have you paid to go and watch any other fighters?

so professional sports arent actually sports?

Well if you really scrutinised proffesional boxing and looked at the scoring and how a crowd cheering or an aggressive fighter, or even a promoter offering hospitality can influence the scoring. Basically, the scores you see are however the judges want to iterperet what they are seeing. Only a winner or a loser of each round.

Now compare that to the sport of amateur boxings scoring system. Counting how many scoring punches land with force on the target area, just like fencing, you jave something to base a score on that cant be disputed.

Just like football has goals, you have something concrete to base a score off. How would football fans feel if the scoring was changed from how many goals to what ever 3 judges thought of the way each team played?

Almost like the difference between pro and amateur wrestling. Obviously thats exagerating but its the difference between an actual sport and a business.

You can be good and promote yourself at the same time, look at Ali, Tyson, Mayorga etc. All the very best and u disputed at one point and also, everyone wanted to watch them.

[Silkeyjoe]

You may not realise the difference between amateur and professional boxing.

Amateur is a sport.

Professional is a business.

Professional boxing was created to make money out of fighters. Promoters need personalities and excitment that fans want to see to help sell fights. If your fighter is bland and offers no excitiment you are going to struggle to sell tickets.

Have you paid to travel and watch Andre Ward fight? Have you paid to go and watch any other fighters?

so professional sports arent actually sports?

Well if you really scrutinised proffesional boxing and looked at the scoring and how a crowd cheering or an aggressive fighter, or even a promoter offering hospitality can influence the scoring. Basically, the scores you see are however the judges want to iterperet what they are seeing. Only a winner or a loser of each round.

Now compare that to the sport of amateur boxings scoring system. Counting how many scoring punches land with force on the target area, just like fencing, you jave something to base a score on that cant be disputed.

Just like football has goals, you have something concrete to base a score off. How would football fans feel if the scoring was changed from how many goals to what ever 3 judges thought of the way each team played?

Almost like the difference between pro and amateur wrestling. Obviously thats exagerating but its the difference between an actual sport and a business.

You can be good and promote yourself at the same time, look at Ali, Tyson, Mayorga etc. All the very best and u disputed at one point and also, everyone wanted to watch them.

Football results are affected (sometimes decided) by referees interpretation of different situations. All pro sport is a business. Its a business because its about making money but it certainly it still a sport. The start of this thread is correct, boxing fans should appreciate the best in the sport, even if they do not enjoy watching them.

[ross]

You may not realise the difference between amateur and professional boxing.

Amateur is a sport.

Professional is a business.

Professional boxing was created to make money out of fighters. Promoters need personalities and excitment that fans want to see to help sell fights. If your fighter is bland and offers no excitiment you are going to struggle to sell tickets.

Have you paid to travel and watch Andre Ward fight? Have you paid to go and watch any other fighters?

so professional sports arent actually sports?

Well if you really scrutinised proffesional boxing and looked at the scoring and how a crowd cheering or an aggressive fighter, or even a promoter offering hospitality can influence the scoring. Basically, the scores you see are however the judges want to iterperet what they are seeing. Only a winner or a loser of each round.

Now compare that to the sport of amateur boxings scoring system. Counting how many scoring punches land with force on the target area, just like fencing, you jave something to base a score on that cant be disputed.

Just like football has goals, you have something concrete to base a score off. How would football fans feel if the scoring was changed from how many goals to what ever 3 judges thought of the way each team played?

Almost like the difference between pro and amateur wrestling. Obviously thats exagerating but its the difference between an actual sport and a business.

You can be good and promote yourself at the same time, look at Ali, Tyson, Mayorga etc. All the very best and u disputed at one point and also, everyone wanted to watch them.

Football results are affected (sometimes decided) by referees interpretation of different situations. All pro sport is a business. Its a business because its about making money but it certainly it still a sport. The start of this thread is correct, boxing fans should appreciate the best in the sport, even if they do not enjoy watching them.

Ok and they are manipulated by the players pretending to be fouled but the outcome of a football match is based on how many goals are scored. NOT by 3 judges telling us what they think of the players performance.

Amateur boxing like I said, is a sport that is also based on so ething you can count, just like football with goals.

[Silkeyjoe]

You may not realise the difference between amateur and professional boxing.

Amateur is a sport.

Professional is a business.

Professional boxing was created to make money out of fighters. Promoters need personalities and excitment that fans want to see to help sell fights. If your fighter is bland and offers no excitiment you are going to struggle to sell tickets.

Have you paid to travel and watch Andre Ward fight? Have you paid to go and watch any other fighters?

so professional sports arent actually sports?

Well if you really scrutinised proffesional boxing and looked at the scoring and how a crowd cheering or an aggressive fighter, or even a promoter offering hospitality can influence the scoring. Basically, the scores you see are however the judges want to iterperet what they are seeing. Only a winner or a loser of each round.

Now compare that to the sport of amateur boxings scoring system. Counting how many scoring punches land with force on the target area, just like fencing, you jave something to base a score on that cant be disputed.

Just like football has goals, you have something concrete to base a score off. How would football fans feel if the scoring was changed from how many goals to what ever 3 judges thought of the way each team played?

Almost like the difference between pro and amateur wrestling. Obviously thats exagerating but its the difference between an actual sport and a business.

You can be good and promote yourself at the same time, look at Ali, Tyson, Mayorga etc. All the very best and u disputed at one point and also, everyone wanted to watch them.

Football results are affected (sometimes decided) by referees interpretation of different situations. All pro sport is a business. Its a business because its about making money but it certainly it still a sport. The start of this thread is correct, boxing fans should appreciate the best in the sport, even if they do not enjoy watching them.

Ok and they are manipulated by the players pretending to be fouled but the outcome of a football match is based on how many goals are scored. NOT by 3 judges telling us what they think of the players performance.

Amateur boxing like I said, is a sport that is also based on so ething you can count, just like football with goals.

Amateur boxing is now scored on the 10 point system by judges. Even before that it was scored by judges judging punches landed and scoring them and was just as easy to fix as pro boxing. I really do not get your point.

[ross]

You may not realise the difference between amateur and professional boxing.

Amateur is a sport.

Professional is a business.

Professional boxing was created to make money out of fighters. Promoters need personalities and excitment that fans want to see to help sell fights. If your fighter is bland and offers no excitiment you are going to struggle to sell tickets.

Have you paid to travel and watch Andre Ward fight? Have you paid to go and watch any other fighters?

so professional sports arent actually sports?

Well if you really scrutinised proffesional boxing and looked at the scoring and how a crowd cheering or an aggressive fighter, or even a promoter offering hospitality can influence the scoring. Basically, the scores you see are however the judges want to iterperet what they are seeing. Only a winner or a loser of each round.

Now compare that to the sport of amateur boxings scoring system. Counting how many scoring punches land with force on the target area, just like fencing, you jave something to base a score on that cant be disputed.

Just like football has goals, you have something concrete to base a score off. How would football fans feel if the scoring was changed from how many goals to what ever 3 judges thought of the way each team played?

Almost like the difference between pro and amateur wrestling. Obviously thats exagerating but its the difference between an actual sport and a business.

You can be good and promote yourself at the same time, look at Ali, Tyson, Mayorga etc. All the very best and u disputed at one point and also, everyone wanted to watch them.

Football results are affected (sometimes decided) by referees interpretation of different situations. All pro sport is a business. Its a business because its about making money but it certainly it still a sport. The start of this thread is correct, boxing fans should appreciate the best in the sport, even if they do not enjoy watching them.

Ok and they are manipulated by the players pretending to be fouled but the outcome of a football match is based on how many goals are scored. NOT by 3 judges telling us what they think of the players performance.

Amateur boxing like I said, is a sport that is also based on so ething you can count, just like football with goals.

Amateur boxing is now scored on the 10 point system by judges. Even before that it was scored by judges judging punches landed and scoring them and was just as easy to fix as pro boxing. I really do not get your point.

The new 10 point system is still based on who landed more punches.

If one fighter clearly lands 2 in a roumd and the other fighter clearly lands only 1 (it happens) it is not easy to fix at all. At least its not easy to get away with.

Whereas in pro, its totally down to what that particular judge thinks should be awarded more merit. Agression? Cleaner work? Whatever.

[J_Undisputed]

I can appreciate knockouts and I can appreciate technical skill. Boxing as a sport and there for based on competition. The problem I have with some of the aforementioned "skill fighters" is not that they aren't big punchers or or sluggers or loudmouths or personalities. Its that part of their styles/ tactics are hard to define under the term fair competition..

It used to be that if you didn't to be there for a punch, you slipped it, parried it, blocked it then countered it. Someone was drubbing you with hard punches, and you started throwing heavier, or doubled your punch output, or countered and made sure your punches counted. If they ran from you, you worked the body and occasionally slipped a few south and slowed his mobility. The point was, you stepped up your level of battle/ effort. You competed...

Turning tail and running or throwing a punch then smothering them and tying up their arms is not competing. Neither is controlling locations of the fight, weight of your opponents or looking for any other of these advantages. Noone says you have to be slugger with no finesse. Take someone like Marquez for example. Even after being knocked down he doesn't get up and slow dance you, armbar you, run around you. He figures you out and picks you apart or does what he was already doing but better. You can stifle your opponents offense with angles, distance, head movement and jabbing to keep them off balance...instead of excessively clinching or running in a non combative posture. Keep the action going ...

[jahmez]

Lol "if you're a true fan you should appreciate the fighters that I do". What a load of arrogant shit.

[erics44]

Lol "if you're a true fan you should appreciate the fighters that I do". What a load of arrogant shit.

ha

[powerpuncher]

Lol "if you're a true fan you should appreciate the fighters that I do". What a load of arrogant shit.

nobody said that. we just said that you should appreciate great fighters no matter how boring you think they are.

[jahmez]

Lol "if you're a true fan you should appreciate the fighters that I do". What a load of arrogant shit.

nobody said that. we just said that you should appreciate great fighters no matter how boring you think they are.

Alright God

[generalbulldog]

Professional boxing as someone stated is a business. Heck, all professional sports are a business. If you can't draw in the spectators either at the event or on tv, it means the guy is not a draw, then that means less money.

Again, I already addressed this issue in the other thread when some poster said it's the idiots that like action fighters, brawlers, and guys that come to fight as "the sign of the times." No, it's not. An exciting fighter has always drawn the masses since the conception of this sport, whether it's the hardcore boxing fan or casual sports fan. Guys like Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Ali, Tyson carried the sport at one time because they were exciting, and at one time were the most famous athletes in the entire sports world. Even the exciting guys below the HW division draws the masses such as Duran, Hagler, and recently Pacquiao. Professional boxing thrives when you have these guys.

Professional boxing's lifeline throughout it's history are the exciting fighters I have mentioned, it's not the Rigondeauxs.