Tyson-Hollyfield 1991

[Master]

Why Bowe? Due to his lack of dedication n presumed fright of Tyson?

Well for a number of reasons:

1. Bowe's lack of fights against other top tier heavyweights especially power punchers
2. Bowe's willingness to give up his height and reach to fight on the inside which is what Tyson always needed vs the taller, lankier, fighters he faced.
3. Bowe and Tyson were from the same neighborhood
4. The excellent records both had at the time

You all know nothing. Tyson 1986 version destroys any version Holyfield.

Tyson in 1991 was on the slide but he took the bombs from Ruddock so he certainly could take the punches of Evander who was smaller.

Holyfield ha a chance to fight Tyson but chose Foreman instead.

I hate that "Well in his prime he was unbeatable" bullshit...Tyson was better in his prime, but let's not go crazy (as Tyson fans ALWAYS do)

Yeah Evander chose Foreman...wow, what a pushover ....might I add that Tyson wanted 0 part of Foreman in his comeback and for good reason, Foreman would have killed Tyson.

Utter nonsense Tyson chose Ruddock who was far more dangerous than Foreman. If Foreman wanted Tyson then he could also have not taken the Holyfield fight where he had even less chance of winning.

[mikeeod]

Ruddock could hit harder than Holy with one shot, but he was no where near as mobile or versatile as evander was. Additionally, ruddock had no right hand n loaded up with "the smash" hybrid he threw. Evander would always be able to land the jab consistently, counter effectively, and overwhelm Tyson with four and five punch combinations. Holy was past his prime when they fought as well, but his mentality n style would always be too much for Mike Tyson.

[El Kabong]

Why Bowe? Due to his lack of dedication n presumed fright of Tyson?

Well for a number of reasons:

1. Bowe's lack of fights against other top tier heavyweights especially power punchers
2. Bowe's willingness to give up his height and reach to fight on the inside which is what Tyson always needed vs the taller, lankier, fighters he faced.
3. Bowe and Tyson were from the same neighborhood
4. The excellent records both had at the time

You all know nothing. Tyson 1986 version destroys any version Holyfield.

Tyson in 1991 was on the slide but he took the bombs from Ruddock so he certainly could take the punches of Evander who was smaller.

Holyfield ha a chance to fight Tyson but chose Foreman instead.

I hate that "Well in his prime he was unbeatable" bullshit...Tyson was better in his prime, but let's not go crazy (as Tyson fans ALWAYS do)

Yeah Evander chose Foreman...wow, what a pushover ....might I add that Tyson wanted 0 part of Foreman in his comeback and for good reason, Foreman would have killed Tyson.

Utter nonsense Tyson chose Ruddock who was far more dangerous than Foreman. If Foreman wanted Tyson then he could also have not taken the Holyfield fight where he had even less chance of winning.

Foreman KO'd Cooney for a shot at Tyson....Tyson didn't want the fight

[mikeeod]

I feel like Tyson was made for Foreman, even more so than Evander. George would've looked spectacular destroying Mike. He would've weathered the early storm n manhandled Mike and hit him like no one else could, including Lennox. George could be outboxed, but short, squat, aggressive fighters were his favorite.

[Spicoli]

Why Bowe? Due to his lack of dedication n presumed fright of Tyson?

Well for a number of reasons:

1. Bowe's lack of fights against other top tier heavyweights especially power punchers
2. Bowe's willingness to give up his height and reach to fight on the inside which is what Tyson always needed vs the taller, lankier, fighters he faced.
3. Bowe and Tyson were from the same neighborhood
4. The excellent records both had at the time

You all know nothing. Tyson 1986 version destroys any version Holyfield.

Tyson in 1991 was on the slide but he took the bombs from Ruddock so he certainly could take the punches of Evander who was smaller.

Holyfield ha a chance to fight Tyson but chose Foreman instead.

I hate that "Well in his prime he was unbeatable" bullshit...Tyson was better in his prime, but let's not go crazy (as Tyson fans ALWAYS do)

Yeah Evander chose Foreman...wow, what a pushover ....might I add that Tyson wanted 0 part of Foreman in his comeback and for good reason, Foreman would have killed Tyson.

Utter nonsense Tyson chose Ruddock who was far more dangerous than Foreman. If Foreman wanted Tyson then he could also have not taken the Holyfield fight where he had even less chance of winning.

Tyson fought Ruddock after he and King were sued for pulling out of a earlier contracted fight with Ruddock in Canada and instead fought "a less dangerous"...Buster Douglas Douglas actually knew how to put his punches together too.

Holyfield was the champion and after a Tyson fight fell through because he was flattened by Douglas Holyfield was well within right to make a inaugural defense with massively popular cash cow Foreman. Tyson was up next and was set but he couldn't keep his dick in his pants and hands off the women..oh and had a 'hurt rib'. Enter Francisco Damiani then Bert Cooper.

Foreman and Tyson would have been a juggernaut event, HUGE! George basically called him out fight by fight in comeback.

[SugarBoxing]

Personally, I think Tyson did right not fighting George. His (TYson's) potential loss would prove nothing to me.

[ross]

All this shit about Foreman being to big and strong for Tyson

Look at their respective fights with Alex Stewart. Tyson wiped him out inside a round, using him as a comeback opponent. Formean got beat up and a gift decision and coincidentally had a harder time with Stewart than he did with Holyfield.

[erics44]

it was probably barry mcguigan that got me into boxing


but the Tyson pomp was one of the most memorable and enjoyable times for me in the sport


so im probably a fantasist but Tyson in his prime would have KOed Hollyfield in the first half of the fight


its such a pity the dream didn't last a bit longer

[El Kabong]

Mike Tyson is the ONE GUY whose losses never stuck to his legacy

"Oh he was past his prime"

"Sure he lost, but if Cus were still around!"

"He didn't train hard enough"

"He never should have left Rooney"

"Don King ruined him"

"In his prime he was unbeatable!"


Just one excuse after another and the complete denial that Mike Tyson had an easy era pre Holyfield and Lewis. The only differences in "Prime" Tyson and post prison Tyson are: a little more aggression, he stopped moving his head in round 3-4 as opposed to round 5-6, and he would throw 2-3 punches more often than just 1-2 big ones.....that is IT but that is also what happens to pressure fighters in general. Pressure fighters typically fade out of the sport by/around 27 years old just because the body can't handle the pace they set OR they have just worn themselves down by turning easier fights into battles.

[erics44]

Mike Tyson is the ONE GUY whose losses never stuck to his legacy

"Oh he was past his prime"

"Sure he lost, but if Cus were still around!"

"He didn't train hard enough"

"He never should have left Rooney"

"Don King ruined him"

"In his prime he was unbeatable!"


Just one excuse after another and the complete denial that Mike Tyson had an easy era pre Holyfield and Lewis. The only differences in "Prime" Tyson and post prison Tyson are: a little more aggression, he stopped moving his head in round 3-4 as opposed to round 5-6, and he would throw 2-3 punches more often than just 1-2 big ones.....that is IT but that is also what happens to pressure fighters in general. Pressure fighters typically fade out of the sport by/around 27 years old just because the body can't handle the pace they set OR they have just worn themselves down by turning easier fights into battles.

cheer up

[ross]

Mike Tyson is the ONE GUY whose losses never stuck to his legacy

"Oh he was past his prime"

"Sure he lost, but if Cus were still around!"

"He didn't train hard enough"

"He never should have left Rooney"

"Don King ruined him"

"In his prime he was unbeatable!"


Just one excuse after another and the complete denial that Mike Tyson had an easy era pre Holyfield and Lewis. The only differences in "Prime" Tyson and post prison Tyson are: a little more aggression, he stopped moving his head in round 3-4 as opposed to round 5-6, and he would throw 2-3 punches more often than just 1-2 big ones.....that is IT but that is also what happens to pressure fighters in general. Pressure fighters typically fade out of the sport by/around 27 years old just because the body can't handle the pace they set OR they have just worn themselves down by turning easier fights into battles.

A way for you to understand the decline in Mike Tyson.

Mike Tyson became less effective and opponents had an easier time with him after leaving Rooney as his trainer because he wasnt being taught to do what made him great.

Wladamir Klitschko on the other hand is like Tyson in reverse. His opponents used to hurt him and knock him out, whereas when he got with Steward he was being taught to do what now makes him successfull. Tysons was the headmovement and combinations, Wlads is the leaning and holding

Would this Wlad beat the Wlad that Sanders defeated? Yes, different fighter. Would the Tyson that beat Holmes and Spinks have lost to the Tyson that waded in to punches against Douglas? No, different fighter, not doing what made him successful.

Tyson losing to Holyfield, Douglas, Lewis etc should be taken as seriously as you take Wlads losses to Sanders and Brewster. He is now a different fighter.