Was a young Robin Reid better than George Groves?

[ross]

Reid was lucky to be champ, Groves could have beaten Nardiello and I doubt Reid would have beaten Froch.

Lucky?

He should ave got the decisions over the only two super middle weight champs to retire undefeated. Thats not luck, thats class.

So far Groves hasnt acheived half as much.

[Master]

Reid was lucky to be champ, Groves could have beaten Nardiello and I doubt Reid would have beaten Froch.

Lucky?

He should ave got the decisions over the only two super middle weight champs to retire undefeated. Thats not luck, thats class.

So far Groves hasnt acheived half as much.

Groves career is not over and even if he does not acheive as much as Reid at the end of his career will be down to luck than talent. If you want me to disect Reids career for you then I will but really it is clear to see that he was not really a world class fighter just fortunate.

[ross]

Reid was lucky to be champ, Groves could have beaten Nardiello and I doubt Reid would have beaten Froch.

Lucky?

He should ave got the decisions over the only two super middle weight champs to retire undefeated. Thats not luck, thats class.

So far Groves hasnt acheived half as much.

Groves career is not over and even if he does not acheive as much as Reid at the end of his career will be down to luck than talent. If you want me to disect Reids career for you then I will but really it is clear to see that he was not really a world class fighter just fortunate.

He's not a world class fighter!?

He held the WBC world title that he won in the first attempt by knockout traveling to Italy!

He pushed Calzaghe and Ottke hard and could have been given the decisions in both fights, he was the only man to drop Ottke.

He also won a medal at the olympics.

All by luck?

No he's not world class...

As for Georges career not being over yet the title of the thread is was Reid a better boxer than Groves. We can only judge Groves up till now and so far, yes Reid is a better boxer and will always have winning the title at the first attempt.

The only way George could match Reid now is by beating Abraham in Germany then fighting Ward and pushing him so hard he should have been awarded the decision. Then who could his Ottke be?


Now you read that and think, there is no way he's doing all the above.

[Dark Lord Al]

If Groves has success at world level then maybe , however Reid was world champ so how can we say Groves is better ? Reid won a bronze medal.

[Master]

Reid was lucky to be champ, Groves could have beaten Nardiello and I doubt Reid would have beaten Froch.

Lucky?

He should ave got the decisions over the only two super middle weight champs to retire undefeated. Thats not luck, thats class.

So far Groves hasnt acheived half as much.

Groves career is not over and even if he does not acheive as much as Reid at the end of his career will be down to luck than talent. If you want me to disect Reids career for you then I will but really it is clear to see that he was not really a world class fighter just fortunate.

He's not a world class fighter!?

He held the WBC world title that he won in the first attempt by knockout traveling to Italy!

He pushed Calzaghe and Ottke hard and could have been given the decisions in both fights, he was the only man to drop Ottke.

He also won a medal at the olympics.

All by luck?

No he's not world class...

As for Georges career not being over yet the title of the thread is was Reid a better boxer than Groves. We can only judge Groves up till now and so far, yes Reid is a better boxer and will always have winning the title at the first attempt.

The only way George could match Reid now is by beating Abraham in Germany then fighting Ward and pushing him so hard he should have been awarded the decision. Then who could his Ottke be?


Now you read that and think, there is no way he's doing all the above.

Notice the way you say won the title in Italy but not name the fighter? It was Nardiello who was shite look at his record - Groves would beat him.

The reason why he had a good fight with Calzaghe was because Joe was struggling with injury. Joe fought Rick Thornberry and David Starie (the most boring fight ever) to points after the Reid fight ti illustrate how poor Joe was at that time.

Ottke was a joke champion.

Reid lost to Malinga and Branca at his best. They were jokers at the world class level.

[ross]

Bika, Froch, Abraham and Kessler would probably beat Reid too

[Silkeyjoe]

Id actually be very surprised if Groves didnt beat Abraham. I think he would stop him.

Bika would be a good fight and he would have a great chance to beat him but if I was Groves I wouldnt be taking that fight. Froch he could beat in a 3rd fight but doubt he gets the shot and by the time he earns it Froch should be retired. Thats all the champs and hed have a good chance in all of them.

Ward is clearly the best in the div and I think Groves style would make this close, I could see Groves taking the early rounds with Ward coming on strong at the end possibly stopping Groves or winning a close decision.

Apart from the above you have Degale and Callum Smith (who I think are the next best in the div after the champs, Ward and Groves). Smith isnt gonna get a look in as is far to dangerous. Degale is a pickem fight for me.

Then you have Chavez, Stieglitz, Rodriguez, Oosthuizen, Love, Dirrell and Periban abd I think Groves is head and shoulders above these guys bar maybe Chavez depending how he looks at the weight. Judging by the 1st Vera fight he aint up to much. I class a prime Reid in with this guys.

[Dark Lord Al]

Reid was lucky to be champ, Groves could have beaten Nardiello and I doubt Reid would have beaten Froch.

Lucky?

He should ave got the decisions over the only two super middle weight champs to retire undefeated. Thats not luck, thats class.

So far Groves hasnt acheived half as much.

Groves career is not over and even if he does not acheive as much as Reid at the end of his career will be down to luck than talent. If you want me to disect Reids career for you then I will but really it is clear to see that he was not really a world class fighter just fortunate.

He's not a world class fighter!?

He held the WBC world title that he won in the first attempt by knockout traveling to Italy!

He pushed Calzaghe and Ottke hard and could have been given the decisions in both fights, he was the only man to drop Ottke.

He also won a medal at the olympics.

All by luck?

No he's not world class...

As for Georges career not being over yet the title of the thread is was Reid a better boxer than Groves. We can only judge Groves up till now and so far, yes Reid is a better boxer and will always have winning the title at the first attempt.

The only way George could match Reid now is by beating Abraham in Germany then fighting Ward and pushing him so hard he should have been awarded the decision. Then who could his Ottke be?


Now you read that and think, there is no way he's doing all the above.

Notice the way you say won the title in Italy but not name the fighter? It was Nardiello who was shite look at his record - Groves would beat him.

The reason why he had a good fight with Calzaghe was because Joe was struggling with injury. Joe fought Rick Thornberry and David Starie (the most boring fight ever) to points after the Reid fight ti illustrate how poor Joe was at that time.

Ottke was a joke champion.

Reid lost to Malinga and Branca at his best. They were jokers at the world class level.

To be far styles make fights ,Thulani Malinga took a prime Benn to a questionable decision , and then beat Benn so he was no joker.

[Master]

Reid was lucky to be champ, Groves could have beaten Nardiello and I doubt Reid would have beaten Froch.

Lucky?

He should ave got the decisions over the only two super middle weight champs to retire undefeated. Thats not luck, thats class.

So far Groves hasnt acheived half as much.

Groves career is not over and even if he does not acheive as much as Reid at the end of his career will be down to luck than talent. If you want me to disect Reids career for you then I will but really it is clear to see that he was not really a world class fighter just fortunate.

He's not a world class fighter!?

He held the WBC world title that he won in the first attempt by knockout traveling to Italy!

He pushed Calzaghe and Ottke hard and could have been given the decisions in both fights, he was the only man to drop Ottke.

He also won a medal at the olympics.

All by luck?

No he's not world class...

As for Georges career not being over yet the title of the thread is was Reid a better boxer than Groves. We can only judge Groves up till now and so far, yes Reid is a better boxer and will always have winning the title at the first attempt.

The only way George could match Reid now is by beating Abraham in Germany then fighting Ward and pushing him so hard he should have been awarded the decision. Then who could his Ottke be?


Now you read that and think, there is no way he's doing all the above.

Notice the way you say won the title in Italy but not name the fighter? It was Nardiello who was shite look at his record - Groves would beat him.

The reason why he had a good fight with Calzaghe was because Joe was struggling with injury. Joe fought Rick Thornberry and David Starie (the most boring fight ever) to points after the Reid fight ti illustrate how poor Joe was at that time.

Ottke was a joke champion.

Reid lost to Malinga and Branca at his best. They were jokers at the world class level.

To be far styles make fights ,Thulani Malinga took a prime Benn to a questionable decision , and then beat Benn so he was no joker.

True about styles but remember the Malinga v Nardiella fight that was awful.