Wladimir Klitschko's Resume

[erics44]

wlad will never be an all time great because of the way he fights


regardless of whether you think he fights within the rules or not and whether or not you believe he allowed to get away with the tactics he does due to the money he generates


a fighter will never be an all time great if he fights are so very dull every time


there are a list of champions who had such a dull style who were champions for years but will never be remembered or considered an all time great


Johnny nelson was world champ for 10 or so years, no one ever remembers his reign because of the way he fought


if he had have been on the front foot knocking people out every fight with the same record then he more than definitely would be remembered a lot more foundly


btw, it is an insult to Johnny to put his fights in the same dullness category as wlads

[greynotsoold]

Everybody is undefeated these days. And if you are fighting in an era where David Bostice is considered- ever, at any point- a prospect, it does not say a lot for your era. I saw him in the gyms at a few different stages and he was never any good. Wlad has learned to fight a bit, though.

[El Kabong]

Wlad and Chagaev was a fight where both fighters should have been congratulated because it happened on short notice. Haye backed out of a fight vs Wlad and Valuev refused to fight Chagaev due to Ruslan's hepatitis (or the fact that Chagaev beat him once before, either way) and so both of those guys having put in full training camps decided to make the fight happen.


Chris Byrd is NOT a bad heavyweight and NOT a bad champion. Byrd put together some very good fights despite not having that much power. Sam Peter was ruined by Wladimir, I believe had Sam Peter not fought Wladimir he would have been champion for longer, that loss devastated his career.

[Ron Swanson]

wlad will never be an all time great because of the way he fights


regardless of whether you think he fights within the rules or not and whether or not you believe he allowed to get away with the tactics he does due to the money he generates


a fighter will never be an all time great if he fights are so very dull every time


there are a list of champions who had such a dull style who were champions for years but will never be remembered or considered an all time great


Johnny nelson was world champ for 10 or so years, no one ever remembers his reign because of the way he fought


if he had have been on the front foot knocking people out every fight with the same record then he more than definitely would be remembered a lot more foundly


btw, it is an insult to Johnny to put his fights in the same dullness category as wlads

You're wrong

[Master]

Wlad has done all that has been asked from him after his last defeat. He is a good champion and he can not do any more except maybe entertain the fans and take a few more chances.

[erics44]

wlad will never be an all time great because of the way he fights


regardless of whether you think he fights within the rules or not and whether or not you believe he allowed to get away with the tactics he does due to the money he generates


a fighter will never be an all time great if he fights are so very dull every time


there are a list of champions who had such a dull style who were champions for years but will never be remembered or considered an all time great


Johnny nelson was world champ for 10 or so years, no one ever remembers his reign because of the way he fought


if he had have been on the front foot knocking people out every fight with the same record then he more than definitely would be remembered a lot more foundly


btw, it is an insult to Johnny to put his fights in the same dullness category as wlads

You're wrong

o right good


you pose a very solid argument


im not sure I have any kind of comeback to that detail

[Violent Demise]

wlad will never be an all time great because of the way he fights


regardless of whether you think he fights within the rules or not and whether or not you believe he allowed to get away with the tactics he does due to the money he generates


a fighter will never be an all time great if he fights are so very dull every time


there are a list of champions who had such a dull style who were champions for years but will never be remembered or considered an all time great


Johnny nelson was world champ for 10 or so years, no one ever remembers his reign because of the way he fought


if he had have been on the front foot knocking people out every fight with the same record then he more than definitely would be remembered a lot more foundly


btw, it is an insult to Johnny to put his fights in the same dullness category as wlads

Johnny Nelson was a fucking joke. The only name fighter he beat during his reign was Carl Thompson. And Thompson really was never even that good of a fighter. Without the judges gifts Nelson loses 3 of his last 4 fights.

[Bo-Bo24]

He's done all he can do in a less than competetive era but its his longevity makes him an all time great for me. Staying at the top is a great accomplishment. Everyone knows his weakness is a chin, well no ones really managed to outbox him and land on it for about a decade now. Sure some of his voluntary defences have been poor but if he beats the latest crop of heavyweights (Wilder, Fury, Pulev) then I'll forgive him for it.

[Mr140]

Listen Tyson's era was almost as weak as this one just a tad better and he ended up losing to fucking Buster Douglas. Bryde had a pretty good wins at hw and was champ for good amount of time. Wlad wins over Haye, Peter, Thompson and Chageave are legit i fell not best but better then some eras.

[powerpuncher]

i agree that its not wlads fault that the division is so bad, but he proved that he wasnt that great before the division turned into the worst HW era in history. he wasnt dominant until the earlier generation of HWs retired or at least fell into obscurity. my question is how much did steward help him? honestly, wlad was pretty good before he got steward as a trainer but i believe that after he got him as a trainer, his level of opposition also went down. so im not sure how much of his success since then has been a new trainer and how much was the level of opposition which made him look good.

and also like i always say, anybody who brings up his style being boring needs to stop. that has no relevance on how good he is or will be. if he is good, his excitement doesnt matter. wlads tactics mainly work because his opposition is so bad. like ive mentioned in another thread, fighters usually allow their opponent to hold. just watch corrie sanders. when wlad tried to grab him sanders just pushed him and kept swinging.

[ninjaspy3]

i agree that its not wlads fault that the division is so bad, but he proved that he wasnt that great before the division turned into the worst HW era in history. he wasnt dominant until the earlier generation of HWs retired or at least fell into obscurity. my question is how much did steward help him? honestly, wlad was pretty good before he got steward as a trainer but i believe that after he got him as a trainer, his level of opposition also went down. so im not sure how much of his success since then has been a new trainer and how much was the level of opposition which made him look good.

and also like i always say, anybody who brings up his style being boring needs to stop. that has no relevance on how good he is or will be. if he is good, his excitement doesnt matter. wlads tactics mainly work because his opposition is so bad. like ive mentioned in another thread, fighters usually allow their opponent to hold. just watch corrie sanders. when wlad tried to grab him sanders just pushed him and kept swinging.

After reading this it made me want to go back and watch the Wlad - Sanders fight. Ironically, the first time Sanders dropped Wlad, it was while Wlad was attempting to hold him. Haha I think Wlad may have improved his holding technique a bit since then though.


On a side note, it was sort of odd seing Wlad fight in that style/stance. He doesn't use that style anymore, but it was sort of fun to watch.

[El Kabong]

After reading this it made me want to go back and watch the Wlad - Sanders fight. Ironically, the first time Sanders dropped Wlad, it was while Wlad was attempting to hold him. Haha I think Wlad may have improved his holding technique a bit since then though.


On a side note, it was sort of odd seing Wlad fight in that style/stance. He doesn't use that style anymore, but it was sort of fun to watch.

Wladimir's style used to be nothing but offense look at his fight vs Ray Mercer, look at his fight vs Monte Barrett. He threw a TON of punches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAKJx5jArVw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjqCw-wPE1k


There's no way he could have continued fighting in that style just because he was throwing pressure fighter amounts of punches

[erics44]

i agree that its not wlads fault that the division is so bad, but he proved that he wasnt that great before the division turned into the worst HW era in history. he wasnt dominant until the earlier generation of HWs retired or at least fell into obscurity. my question is how much did steward help him? honestly, wlad was pretty good before he got steward as a trainer but i believe that after he got him as a trainer, his level of opposition also went down. so im not sure how much of his success since then has been a new trainer and how much was the level of opposition which made him look good.

and also like i always say, anybody who brings up his style being boring needs to stop. that has no relevance on how good he is or will be. if he is good, his excitement doesnt matter. wlads tactics mainly work because his opposition is so bad. like ive mentioned in another thread, fighters usually allow their opponent to hold. just watch corrie sanders. when wlad tried to grab him sanders just pushed him and kept swinging.

wlads boring style has everything to do with his success


he is boring because he holds


holding is against the rules


I don't think there has ever been a champion of any weight that holds and breaks the rules even a fraction as much as the extreme amounts that wlad does

[Freedom]

[powerpuncher]

i agree that its not wlads fault that the division is so bad, but he proved that he wasnt that great before the division turned into the worst HW era in history. he wasnt dominant until the earlier generation of HWs retired or at least fell into obscurity. my question is how much did steward help him? honestly, wlad was pretty good before he got steward as a trainer but i believe that after he got him as a trainer, his level of opposition also went down. so im not sure how much of his success since then has been a new trainer and how much was the level of opposition which made him look good.

and also like i always say, anybody who brings up his style being boring needs to stop. that has no relevance on how good he is or will be. if he is good, his excitement doesnt matter. wlads tactics mainly work because his opposition is so bad. like ive mentioned in another thread, fighters usually allow their opponent to hold. just watch corrie sanders. when wlad tried to grab him sanders just pushed him and kept swinging.

wlads boring style has everything to do with his success


he is boring because he holds


holding is against the rules


I don't think there has ever been a champion of any weight that holds and breaks the rules even a fraction as much as the extreme amounts that wlad does

wait what?!?! i thought that it was ward who cheated the most. get your stories straight!