Lara/Alvarez scorecards thread

[Violent Demise]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again

[Gandalf]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again

True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.

[ruthless rocco]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again

True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.

Lara said he was gonna take Canelo to school. Landing 10 lousy jabs more and running away for 2.5 minutes of each round isn't a boxing lesson.

The person who got schooled was Lara. He learned that you have to actually try to fight to win a fight.

[521Joe]

Had to go back and copy my other post

I had the fight 116-112 for Canelo. Lara was retreating the WHOLE fight, not once did he come forward. I was very dissapointed in Lara because this probably the worst I have seen him fight and it just happened to be on the biggest stage of his career. He fought as though this was the amateurs or the Olympics it was a terrible effort. As far as everyone saying oh he out landed Canelo it was by 10 punches 107 to 97(which basically means 9 punches a rd for lara and 8 punches a rd for Canelo) and Canelo landed the harder shots with an 88 to 52 advantage in power shots. Anyone who understands boxing knows that there is a BIG difference in throwing a punch stepping back as opposed to throwing a punch stepping forward. Lara was retreating the whole fight and on the defensive, Canelo was coming forward the whole fight and was on the attack, and in a fight where there is not much action to score most judges will score the rd or fight for the Aggressor which was Canelo.

[ruthless rocco]

Lara 1,3,10,11,12
Canelo 2,4,5,6,7,8,9

I saw rounds 6,11&12 pretty close. Any of them could have gone either way depending on the judge's view from ringside and their scoring preferences.

[Gandalf]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again

True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.

Lara said he was gonna take Canelo to school. Landing 10 lousy jabs more and running away for 2.5 minutes of each round isn't a boxing lesson.

The person who got schooled was Lara. He learned that you have to actually try to fight to win a fight.

How was Lara schooled? In your next post you gave him 5 rounds, then added that round 6 was close so arguably he won half the rounds based on your own evaluation. You are smarter than to call that a schooling.

Doesn't every fighter say that they are going to school, KO, brutalise, the opponent etc. If a fighter says they are going to score a KO is it their obligation to score a KO? Are we that simple? It's boxing, it's prefight talk, every fight has it.

[ruthless rocco]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again

True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.

Lara said he was gonna take Canelo to school. Landing 10 lousy jabs more and running away for 2.5 minutes of each round isn't a boxing lesson.

The person who got schooled was Lara. He learned that you have to actually try to fight to win a fight.

How was Lara schooled? In your next post you gave him 5 rounds, then added that round 6 was close so arguably he won half the rounds based on your own evaluation. You are smarter than to call that a schooling.

Doesn't every fighter say that they are going to school, KO, brutalise, the opponent etc. If a fighter says they are going to score a KO is it their obligation to score a KO? Are we that simple? It's boxing, it's prefight talk, every fight has it.

He was schooled by the politics of boxing. HAHAHA! He was shown that you have to fight to win fights when you're up against the hottest rising star who loves to brawl.
Had Lara stood his ground for 30 more seconds each round and thrown 2 more sets of combinations per round I guarantee he would have won. He would have connected with probably 40 or 50 more punches. He wouldn't have looked like a chicken shit. He probably would have slowed Canelo down too.

[La Cucaracha]

114-114

[J_C]

For me half the fight contained close rounds where I could imagine people scoring it either way. In a fight like that youre gona get weird cards from time to time.

In my head during a fight I always count 'clean' rounds and 'close' rounds to allow for what the score discrepancies could be when I hear the judges cards. Clean meaning 1 guy won the round and I have no doubt. Close as in I could see a scenario in which a judge could go either way. In this fight I only saw 6 'clean' rounds and 4 of them were won by Canelo (2 Lara and 6 close).


So if you gave ALL 6 close rounds to Canelo then you can actually get 118-110, likewise you could have it 116-112 Lara. There really were a lot of close rounds due to the extremely low punches landed.


FWIW I actually had Lara winning 115-113 as I happened to score 5 of the 6 'close' rounds to him. But I can see how a 117-111 Canelo card can happen.

[Violent Demise]

The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.

Boxing is a business. The way this fight played out in terms of excitement, I doubt many would want to pay to watch it again

True, but that's not how fans should be looking at things. We approach it as people who appreciate boxing and shouldn't allow ourselves to see things through Oscar eyes (and they were twitchy, lizard person eyes last weekend. Shudder. Eww). Canelo can generate more excitement and thrills by fighting someone who will stand in front of him, but it doesn't avoid a non result such as this. When limitations are shown a determined proud fighter rematches to show that the limitations were not real. Mayweather for instance (I'm a long term critic, but credit where credit is due) is doing that for the second time. I just find it ironic that a fighter can say 'He runs and should learn to fight' and then in actuality then run away from a fight himself having shown limitations as a boxer. It's just asking for the decent thing to be done. Fight him again, improve your footwork, break his body, knock him out....then fight someone who will stand in front of you like set of pins for bowling alley kicks. But do the right thing. It is a business though, granted.

Yeah I get you. But keep in mind. It was Lara who crashed Alvarez's post conference asking for the fight. It was Lara who said the fight was personal and he had no respect for Alvarez. It was Lara who said he would dominate and stop Alvarez. Yet it was Lara who spent most of the fight retreating, avoiding exchanges. A fighter runs his mouth that much in what he considers the biggest fight of his career you would think he would do more

[g3org3]

I had Lara winning 7 rounds to 5