Jet airliner shot down in Eastern Ukraine

[Beanflicker]

You seem to have a lot of emotional investment in it not being pro-Russian militants for whatever reason.

None of us know all the facts because we're not there and we're not directly involved. But when pro-Russian militants are shooting down planes and openly bragging about it a week before, and now they've openly shot down two more planes today... why is it so hard to believe the official line? That a civilian plane mistakenly wandered into the wrong airspace and the militants, who assumed it was a Ukrainian military plane (the kind they've openly been shooting out of the sky), opened fire on it. I just don't see what's so unbelievable about that account.

[Beanflicker]

Don't get me wrong, you'll get no argument from me that the American government are a bunch of choir boys, but Putin deserves the negative press he has been getting.

[Dia bando]

Yes Chaps we live in a fucked up World, people on a civilian flight get blown out of the sky,
no excuses this is not right, I don't give a shit who what or why, they are a bunch of bad
bastards.

[Master]

Yes Chaps we live in a fucked up World, people on a civilian flight get blown out of the sky,
no excuses this is not right, I don't give a shit who what or why, they are a bunch of bad
bastards.

We are worse for making the weapons and selling it to them.

[Gandalf]

Don't get me wrong, you'll get no argument from me that the American government are a bunch of choir boys, but Putin deserves the negative press he has been getting.

But there is no evidence. It's a basic fact, but an important one. There is NO EVIDENCE that Putin was directly connected.

[Gandalf]

So my point it why on earth do they have sanctions on Russia.

The reasons are simple.
1. The West (Britain, USA, Japan) are dead in the water fiscally. Anything to get the system into some action. Of course, nobody should fight for these people.
2. Look at the Federal Reserve. It should be banned. War is their only way out.
3. Bank of England. Run by a Moose, called Carney. He has nothing. Interest rates rise and his head is on a spike. They don't and he can deflect. Basically the UK is broke.

The clamor for war is manufactured shit, and nobody should follow the script.

[Kirkland Laing]

So my point it why on earth do they have sanctions on Russia.

The reasons are simple.
1. The West (Britain, USA, Japan) are dead in the water fiscally. Anything to get the system into some action. Of course, nobody should fight for these people.
2. Look at the Federal Reserve. It should be banned. War is their only way out.
3. Bank of England. Run by a Moose, called Carney. He has nothing. Interest rates rise and his head is on a spike. They don't and he can deflect. Basically the UK is broke.

The clamor for war is manufactured shit, and nobody should follow the script.

1. Western economies are struggling so the answer is to do something that will put energy prices up and reduce economic activity, thus making the problems of the western economies even bigger?

2. I'm looking at the Federal Reserve. It's a central bank. You can't ban it, we need it and all the other central banks. Since central banks started doing what central banks do back in 1826 the world has gone from incredibly slow growth withregular depressions lasting decades to basically uniterrupted fast economic growth. Apart from a few fringe loonies everybody agrees central banks are a good idea.

And what the fuck does the Federal Reserve have to do with sanctions on Russia? I've only read the post I've replied to since I was last in this thread and I'm not fucking reading any more.

[Gandalf]

The idea is that bankrupt nations can stage a war and divert attention from ALL the facts about their economies. The truth is that the Japanese, European, British and American banks have NO tools for fixing the mafia behaviour that they created. You cannot taper a ponzi scheme, as Max Keiser states. However, you can do crazy stuff to hide the fact that you are fucking kids and killing handicapped people. That's how they want to approach this.

[Kirkland Laing]

The idea is that bankrupt nations can stage a war and divert attention from ALL the facts about their economies. The truth is that the Japanese, European, British and American banks have NO tools for fixing the mafia behaviour that they created. You cannot taper a ponzi scheme, as Max Keiser states. However, you can do crazy stuff to hide the fact that you are fucking kids and killing handicapped people. That's how they want to approach this.

The countries you mention are not bankrupt. What central banks are doing right now isn't a Ponzi scheme, it's what they've been doing for centuries. I don't know who Max Keiser is and I don't want to. You're reading a ridiculous amount of unrelated stuff into this incident. Russia gave sophisticated military stuff to a bunch of fuckwits who shot an airliner down with it. The rest of the world is responding with a bunch of half-arsed sanctions so that they look like they're doing something about it. That's it.