Golovkin-Geale fight thread

[Master]

GGG has to become undisputed middleweight champion before he can move up. He has Cotto and Quillen to be called undisputed.

[Dark Lord Al]

ggg has to become undisputed middleweight champion before he can move up. He has cotto and quillen to be called undisputed.

i agree he should become unified champ then go for ward

[Beanz]

@cyclone .

By saying things like "ya'll" you are seriously undermining your own argument. If you wish to be taken seriously then you must first appeal to the British sense of fair play. That means assuming that any chap of any skin colour, Nationality or Religious persuasion be given a fair shake of the stick and be admired for his ability and not dismissed simply because you do not like the cut of his jib. You must surely admit that the Kazakhstan fellow is tremendously well equipped and efficient at removing foes that dally about in front of him. Unfortunately this very ability also precludes him from displaying the aforesaid "skills" against those in the upper echelon of the sport in a way which would help him "pay the bills", (or at least hire a weekend footman or Butler). No one wishes to fight him and yet he still manages to provide great entertainment in dealing with what you may term, inferior opposition and yet you seem unable to derive any pleasure at all from watching him dispatch them. You may well believe that your countryman "Money" is similarly unappreciated for his inability to fight equal opposition like that Philippino chap etc but you would be wrong. Their are many that would even enjoy watching him tussle with young (admittedly fragile chinned) Amir Khans leftovers and needing two fights to do so.

Ward is the reason GG's people stopped saying he'll fight anybody from 154 to 168.

Andre shut that shit down.

Andre Ward wishes to fight him.

Sure they are in different divisions but so what?

That never stopped a guy like Floyd and he's supposed to be a coward.

Ya'll call him a bitch.

If Floyd is a bitch then what is GG?

Golovkin has fights out there...he just doesn't want to challenge himself.

Nonsense and poppycock. I never called Floyd a coward or a bitch. Already you are labelling everyone here that disagrees with you with the same lazy brush. Any rational boxing fan on this planet could hardly fail to notice Floyd's skills but Floyd in this instance has nothing to do with it. Ward and his team have shut nobody up. GGG is fighting Ward is just talking. You son are all mouth and no trousers. If being willing to fight ANYBODY in your own weight division is not being willing to challenge yourself then you have no interest in any kind of sane conversation and are happy to simply throw poop at your cell walls. Nobody here is your enemy so stop building up a wall of bullshit form which to launch false accusations. This is a boxing forum and as such attracts fans of the noble art. Those people are likely to know a decent fighter when they watch him at work and Golovkin is surely that. You may not rate him highly but childishly dismissing him because you think Black, American or any other kind of Boxers have been slighted by people who can appreciate Golovkin is just dumb. Floyd and Golovkin are not mutually exclusive fan clubs like some kind of blood group. You are mistaking people enjoying fighters as rabid, blinded nut hugging fans and people who can enjoy boxers but still spot their flaws as crazy prejudiced haters. Chill out and enjoy the fact that you have something in common with people once in a while before starting a playground spat with every other post.

[Silkeyjoe]

@cyclone .

By saying things like "ya'll" you are seriously undermining your own argument. If you wish to be taken seriously then you must first appeal to the British sense of fair play. That means assuming that any chap of any skin colour, Nationality or Religious persuasion be given a fair shake of the stick and be admired for his ability and not dismissed simply because you do not like the cut of his jib. You must surely admit that the Kazakhstan fellow is tremendously well equipped and efficient at removing foes that dally about in front of him. Unfortunately this very ability also precludes him from displaying the aforesaid "skills" against those in the upper echelon of the sport in a way which would help him "pay the bills", (or at least hire a weekend footman or Butler). No one wishes to fight him and yet he still manages to provide great entertainment in dealing with what you may term, inferior opposition and yet you seem unable to derive any pleasure at all from watching him dispatch them. You may well believe that your countryman "Money" is similarly unappreciated for his inability to fight equal opposition like that Philippino chap etc but you would be wrong. Their are many that would even enjoy watching him tussle with young (admittedly fragile chinned) Amir Khans leftovers and needing two fights to do so.

Ward is the reason GG's people stopped saying he'll fight anybody from 154 to 168.

Andre shut that shit down.

Andre Ward wishes to fight him.

Sure they are in different divisions but so what?

That never stopped a guy like Floyd and he's supposed to be a coward.

Ya'll call him a bitch.

If Floyd is a bitch then what is GG?

Golovkin has fights out there...he just doesn't want to challenge himself.

Nonsense and poppycock. I never called Floyd a coward or a bitch. Already you are labelling everyone here that disagrees with you with the same lazy brush. Any rational boxing fan on this planet could hardly fail to notice Floyd's skills but Floyd in this instance has nothing to do with it. Ward and his team have shut nobody up. GGG is fighting Ward is just talking. You son are all mouth and no trousers. If being willing to fight ANYBODY in your own weight division is not being willing to challenge yourself then you have no interest in any kind of sane conversation and are happy to simply throw poop at your cell walls. Nobody here is your enemy so stop building up a wall of bullshit form which to launch false accusations. This is a boxing forum and as such attracts fans of the noble art. Those people are likely to know a decent fighter when they watch him at work and Golovkin is surely that. You may not rate him highly but childishly dismissing him because you think Black, American or any other kind of Boxers have been slighted by people who can appreciate Golovkin is just dumb. Floyd and Golovkin are not mutually exclusive fan clubs like some kind of blood group. You are mistaking people enjoying fighters as rabid, blinded nut hugging fans and people who can enjoy boxers but still spot their flaws as crazy prejudiced haters. Chill out and enjoy the fact that you have something in common with people once in a while before starting a playground spat with every other post.

This talk of GGG moving up to fight Ward, why not Ward move down to fight GGG? I thought Ward said he would go down to 160 to fight Mayweather? I hope GGG fights Ward but I dont see the point now. According to Cyclone he has fought nobody at 160, so why move up in weight without doing anything at your natural weight? Ward has cleaned up at 168 which is why Ive suggested he move up to fight Kovalev or the likes. Floyd is obviously a great fighter but he, like Ward, has to keep all the advantages, even when he moves up in weight. Alvarez can barely make 154 let alone 152, he makes a catchweight of 144 against Marquez who had never even fought at 140 before and then came in 2 pounds over that limit, he fought Hatton at Welter rather than Hattons best weight of Light welter.

What frustrates me about all this is that even if he gave away the advantage, fought Alvarez at 154, Marquez at 140 or Hatton at 140 he wins easily. But he doesnt take any extra risk. Hes fought at 154 before so there is no reason if GGG will make the 154 limit that he doesnt fight him. If Ward or any fighter in the world said he would fight GGG at 160 and GGG turned it away I would criticise him but that hasnt happened.

[Violent Demise]

GGG is without a doubt the pound for pound best fighter on the planet. His power is freakish, his ring generalship is superb and his attitude is next to none. Noone at 154 or 160 beats him or comes close to it. I wish Floyd wasnt such a bitch and would fight him.

look at the nuthuggery.

I wish GG wasn't such an old bitch and would fight Ward.

Floyd has taken risks by moving up since he was 21.
GG is 32 and has yet to move up once.

Floyd is required to "take risks" but GG is allowed to fight in a long dead division.

Cotto's ONE fight at 160 is better than anything GG has done so far.

I just say it as it is. When was the last time Floyd blew away a top 5 fighter in 3 rounds? When has Andre Ward done that. They just aint good enough. Heck Mayweather struggles with straight forward plodders like Maidana, hes done washed up and should retire. Ward may as well retire too giving his activity and the lack of interest anyone has in his career.

Maidana is a better fighter than anybody GG has ever faced.

Let's see GG move up a couple of weight classes(like Floyd has done) and win a title WITHOUT A TUNEUP.

Maidana had a title.

What did Adama have?
What did Geale have?
What did Stevens have?

How about Mackling ....
What did he have..

I can do that all day

Adama is a worse plodder than Maidana and he was catching GG..............CLEAN.
So was Geale.


Floyd is fighting better comp on a higher level and for bigger stakes than Golovkin.
A slow guy on Adama's level, couldn't hit Floyd with rice at a wedding..

Golovkin got hit a LOT last night...that's never a good sign...power is good to have but skills pay bills.

Geale and Adama lasted long enough to expose major flaws in GG's game....his defense has more holes than an oil field in Iraq.

No wonder they stopped saying they'll fight ANYBODY from 154 to 168..
Geale would have to fight Cotto 6 times to land that many punches.

No hes not. Macklin, Stevins and Geale are all better then Maidana. Maidana lost every round to Alexander who is nothing special and got beaten and dropped by Khan. Hes average. But I guess because he did well against Floyd and beat that Broner bum hes class?

[generalbulldog]

EDIT: I'll just stay out of the argument. It seems this Cyclone user is a race baiting troll.

[Beanflicker]

I love GGG but he's not beating Ward - at 160 or 168.

[Dark Lord Al]

EDIT: I'll just stay out of the argument. It seems this Cyclone user is a race baiting troll.

Buddy , Cyclone is FinitoElDinamita , and yes he is a racist prick. which is why he was banned.

[cyclone]

EDIT: I'll just stay out of the argument. It seems this Cyclone user is a race baiting troll.

Says the P race baiting troll.

[cyclone]

GGG is without a doubt the pound for pound best fighter on the planet. His power is freakish, his ring generalship is superb and his attitude is next to none. Noone at 154 or 160 beats him or comes close to it. I wish Floyd wasnt such a bitch and would fight him.

look at the nuthuggery.

I wish GG wasn't such an old bitch and would fight Ward.

Floyd has taken risks by moving up since he was 21.
GG is 32 and has yet to move up once.

Floyd is required to "take risks" but GG is allowed to fight in a long dead division.

Cotto's ONE fight at 160 is better than anything GG has done so far.

I just say it as it is. When was the last time Floyd blew away a top 5 fighter in 3 rounds? When has Andre Ward done that. They just aint good enough. Heck Mayweather struggles with straight forward plodders like Maidana, hes done washed up and should retire. Ward may as well retire too giving his activity and the lack of interest anyone has in his career.

Maidana is a better fighter than anybody GG has ever faced.

Let's see GG move up a couple of weight classes(like Floyd has done) and win a title WITHOUT A TUNEUP.

Maidana had a title.

What did Adama have?
What did Geale have?
What did Stevens have?

How about Mackling ....
What did he have..

I can do that all day

Adama is a worse plodder than Maidana and he was catching GG..............CLEAN.
So was Geale.


Floyd is fighting better comp on a higher level and for bigger stakes than Golovkin.
A slow guy on Adama's level, couldn't hit Floyd with rice at a wedding..

Golovkin got hit a LOT last night...that's never a good sign...power is good to have but skills pay bills.

Geale and Adama lasted long enough to expose major flaws in GG's game....his defense has more holes than an oil field in Iraq.

No wonder they stopped saying they'll fight ANYBODY from 154 to 168..
Geale would have to fight Cotto 6 times to land that many punches.

No hes not. Macklin, Stevins and Geale are all better then Maidana. Maidana lost every round to Alexander who is nothing special and got beaten and dropped by Khan. Hes average. But I guess because he did well against Floyd and beat that Broner bum hes class?

That cracked me up too....

[cyclone]

@cyclone .

By saying things like "ya'll" you are seriously undermining your own argument. If you wish to be taken seriously then you must first appeal to the British sense of fair play. That means assuming that any chap of any skin colour, Nationality or Religious persuasion be given a fair shake of the stick and be admired for his ability and not dismissed simply because you do not like the cut of his jib. You must surely admit that the Kazakhstan fellow is tremendously well equipped and efficient at removing foes that dally about in front of him. Unfortunately this very ability also precludes him from displaying the aforesaid "skills" against those in the upper echelon of the sport in a way which would help him "pay the bills", (or at least hire a weekend footman or Butler). No one wishes to fight him and yet he still manages to provide great entertainment in dealing with what you may term, inferior opposition and yet you seem unable to derive any pleasure at all from watching him dispatch them. You may well believe that your countryman "Money" is similarly unappreciated for his inability to fight equal opposition like that Philippino chap etc but you would be wrong. Their are many that would even enjoy watching him tussle with young (admittedly fragile chinned) Amir Khans leftovers and needing two fights to do so.

Ward is the reason GG's people stopped saying he'll fight anybody from 154 to 168.

Andre shut that shit down.

Andre Ward wishes to fight him.

Sure they are in different divisions but so what?

That never stopped a guy like Floyd and he's supposed to be a coward.

Ya'll call him a bitch.

If Floyd is a bitch then what is GG?

Golovkin has fights out there...he just doesn't want to challenge himself.

Nonsense and poppycock. I never called Floyd a coward or a bitch. Already you are labelling everyone here that disagrees with you with the same lazy brush. Any rational boxing fan on this planet could hardly fail to notice Floyd's skills but Floyd in this instance has nothing to do with it. Ward and his team have shut nobody up. GGG is fighting Ward is just talking. You son are all mouth and no trousers. If being willing to fight ANYBODY in your own weight division is not being willing to challenge yourself then you have no interest in any kind of sane conversation and are happy to simply throw poop at your cell walls. Nobody here is your enemy so stop building up a wall of bullshit form which to launch false accusations. This is a boxing forum and as such attracts fans of the noble art. Those people are likely to know a decent fighter when they watch him at work and Golovkin is surely that. You may not rate him highly but childishly dismissing him because you think Black, American or any other kind of Boxers have been slighted by people who can appreciate Golovkin is just dumb. Floyd and Golovkin are not mutually exclusive fan clubs like some kind of blood group. You are mistaking people enjoying fighters as rabid, blinded nut hugging fans and people who can enjoy boxers but still spot their flaws as crazy prejudiced haters. Chill out and enjoy the fact that you have something in common with people once in a while before starting a playground spat with every other post.

This talk of GGG moving up to fight Ward, why not Ward move down to fight GGG? I thought Ward said he would go down to 160 to fight Mayweather? I hope GGG fights Ward but I dont see the point now. According to Cyclone he has fought nobody at 160, so why move up in weight without doing anything at your natural weight? Ward has cleaned up at 168 which is why Ive suggested he move up to fight Kovalev or the likes. Floyd is obviously a great fighter but he, like Ward, has to keep all the advantages, even when he moves up in weight. Alvarez can barely make 154 let alone 152, he makes a catchweight of 144 against Marquez who had never even fought at 140 before and then came in 2 pounds over that limit, he fought Hatton at Welter rather than Hattons best weight of Light welter.

What frustrates me about all this is that even if he gave away the advantage, fought Alvarez at 154, Marquez at 140 or Hatton at 140 he wins easily. But he doesnt take any extra risk. Hes fought at 154 before so there is no reason if GGG will make the 154 limit that he doesnt fight him. If Ward or any fighter in the world said he would fight GGG at 160 and GGG turned it away I would criticise him but that hasnt happened.

A Golovkin fan should be the last person to talk about taking risks.

Floyd has moved up PLENTY times....

Why not GG?

I mean,since he's soooo good.


GG was ready to fight Jr at 168 but not Ward...that's a bitch move.

Ward MADE gg's camp shut up that "we'll fight anybody from 154 to 168" shit.

Time for GG to take some risks and challenge himself.

[Silkeyjoe]

I agree it is a bitch move. And what it comes down to is money. GGG hasnt made millions. He needs some financial security before taking risks. Floyds movement up in weights has been against average fighters or has beens. And in each case hes used weight to his advantage. Hes never, nore will he ever, step up to fight a top P4P guy like GGG. At least some day GGG still might fight Ward after hes made some dosh.

But if this is a bitch move then how is Ward being willing to fight Floyd at 160 and not GGG at 160 not a bitch move. It is but comes down to money again fior me so Im fine with it. Floyd however has no excuse.

[Ron Swanson]

sure are a lot of double standards in this thread, coming from both sides. Very few fair posts. Looks like folks are just looking for an argument.

[erics44]

sure are a lot of double standards in this thread, coming from both sides. Very few fair posts. Looks like folks are just looking for an argument.

no theyre not

[Dark Lord Al]

sure are a lot of double standards in this thread, coming from both sides. Very few fair posts. Looks like folks are just looking for an argument.

no theyre not

Yes they are.