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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
Their mentalities are different also. Roy is a very talented man and extremely talented athlete. Bernard is a fighter. Every single aspect about Bernard is conflict, discipline and strategy. He had a quote that was very telling about who he is: "I can't sing like Oscar or rap/dance/play basketball like Roy. I am just a fighter".
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
AgreedOriginally Posted by mikeeod
Hopkins has continued to challenge himself and fight against guys where he is not the favourite to win
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
It's a variety of things IMO. Hopkins has better fundamentals than Jones Jnr and he also didn't piss about with going up to HW and then jumping back down two weight classes. Jones Jnr messed his body up doing that and having relied so much on speed, was less able to adjust when his body wasn't quite the same. Hopkins went up in weight sensibly and was able to escape looking slightly less good in his final days at MW. In that sense, Hopkins is more savvy and self aware. He's a very smart man which is why I am a little confused about the Kovalev fight.
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Id say speed and relexes were such a critical tool for Jones and not so much for Hopkins. These faded meaning Jones' body couldnt do what his mind wanted.
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Roy is all talent. Just an on going exhibition of God given talent and confidence.
Bernard..? Well it's very hard for me to put in to words but there are two words that are key for Hopkins:
Adapt. Control.
You look up these two words and you see elements of Hopkins in all of them. In all aspects of his life there has been this ideology that consists of a solid balance between the two very strong elements of adapt and control.
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
Roy Jones relies on his reflex and athleticism which has faded with age whereas Hopkins has boxing skills and knowledge which has allowed him to continue at the top level. Hopkins has to remain supremely fit but smart when he fights.
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
He's cagey...RJJ relied on pure athletic ability. Not saying RJJ didn't put in work, it's the difference between a more physically gifted boxer and a more mentally tough boxer.
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
guts, courage, smarter boxing mentality & a desire to fight the best fighters out there, and to not make excuses like roy always did.
roy was on top once, but the tables have turned in favor of the real fighter...a legend now, B-Hop!!!
Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
That's not a fair assessment of Roy. Roy fought everyone he could fight and in his prime he fought more dangerous opponents than Hopkins did. Hopkins' run at middleweight lasted up until he faced a real middleweight in Jermain Taylor. Until that point Hopkins refused to move up in weight and fight RJJ or Toney.
Roy fought some good fighters, Roy even went to heavyweight and showed off his skills there....should have retired after that but hindsight is 20/20
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The comments you made above negate the true part of your post: That is wasn't a fair assessment of Roy. Roy DID NOT fight everyone he could fight, or even a few of those he could have and should have fought (Benn, Eubank, Collins, G-Man, Hop rematch, Liles, Nunn, Darius...etc.). His competition after Toney was not up to his ability, to the point that people began boycotting his fights due to lack of competitive match ups (ROYCOTT was the name given to the movement).That's not a fair assessment of Roy. Roy fought everyone he could fight and in his prime he fought more dangerous opponents than Hopkins did. Hopkins' run at middleweight lasted up until he faced a real middleweight in Jermain Taylor. Until that point Hopkins refused to move up in weight and fight RJJ or Toney.
Roy fought some good fighters, Roy even went to heavyweight and showed off his skills there....should have retired after that but hindsight is 20/20
As for more dangerous opponents than Hop, Roy took on and beat 1 fighter ranked p4p at the time they fought and that was James Toney. Hop fought these guys ranked p4p at the time he fought them: Tito (#2), Tarver (#, Winky (#4), Joe C. (#4), Pavilik (#6), Pascal (#11). He also fought tough, respected challengers in Dawson, Cloud (undefeated when they fought), Shumenov, Joe Lipsey (undefeated when he ruined him), Glenn Johnson (undefeated when Hop beat him), Andrew Council, and Howard Eastman to name a few. Oscar was undersized, but Hop stopped him, as he should have. Additionally, Hop COMPLETELY cleaned out 160 beating every other champion at his weight and cleaning out the division before getting ripped off against Taylor (NOT the first true middleweight he fought, this was another comment that makes you look biased/uneducated).
The one thing you are correct on was that Roy was a supreme talent, and not a coward. He rose in weight and took on James Toney when Toney was the most feared champion out there. The truth is that Roy became a business man more than a fighter, which is good for him, and took on the least risk for the most reward. I give Roy credit for fighting Tarver and then giving him a rematch after the tough fight, but I think that once he lost it, he realized that he wasn't going to be remembered like he wanted and wanted to go back to being a fighter but found it was too late. If you look at Roy's competition throughout his career, he actually fought better guys when he was past his prime.
Last point, Hop chased Roy for the rematch for years and was willing to move to 168 but wasn't willing for the 60-40 split Roy demanded. Both were great fighters, but Hop will be higher on the ATG list than Roy for the amazing feats and career he has had. Roy was good enough to beat anyone in the history of the sport, but in his prime he never yearned for greatness or tested himself like Hop, Manny, Floyd, Oscar, Tito...etc. did.
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Dunno man, I give Hopkins the nod big time as far as fighting more dangerous guys collectively and if we're talking prime I don't even know if that's ended yet for HopkinsThat's not a fair assessment of Roy. Roy fought everyone he could fight and in his prime he fought more dangerous opponents than Hopkins did. Hopkins' run at middleweight lasted up until he faced a real middleweight in Jermain Taylor. Until that point Hopkins refused to move up in weight and fight RJJ or Toney.
Roy fought some good fighters, Roy even went to heavyweight and showed off his skills there....should have retired after that but hindsight is 20/20It wasn't Hopkins need to chase Jones and by the time Hopkins fought Taylor Jones was already getting all he could handle from Tarver. Hopkins run at Middle is lined with knocking about five #1 ranked challengers, a unification tournament win and indeed a fight with Jones. Not too shabby.
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
Hopkins is solvent; Jones is not.
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
Money, health and happiness.
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Re: What does Hopkins have that Jones doesn't?
It's more a case of what Jones had that he doesn't have now.
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