Has a European Champion Ever Transcended to Stardom in the United States?

[Beanflicker]

Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.

They never had mainstream appeal in the States.

Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.

[ryanman]

Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.

They never had mainstream appeal in the States.

Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.

You really don't like Britain hey? Major chip on your shoulder boy.

[Beanflicker]

Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.

They never had mainstream appeal in the States.

Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.

You really don't like Britain hey? Major chip on your shoulder boy.

I like Britain just fine - my grandmother was born in Hull. But as far as producing quality, world class, ATG fighters... you lot are lacking. That's what's up.

[ryanman]

Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.

They never had mainstream appeal in the States.

Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.

You really don't like Britain hey? Major chip on your shoulder boy.

I like Britain just fine - my grandmother was born in Hull. But as far as producing quality, world class, ATG fighters... you lot are lacking. That's what's up.

Canada though?

[Beanflicker]

Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.

They never had mainstream appeal in the States.

Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.

You really don't like Britain hey? Major chip on your shoulder boy.

I like Britain just fine - my grandmother was born in Hull. But as far as producing quality, world class, ATG fighters... you lot are lacking. That's what's up.

Canada though?

Well hell, I never claimed Canada was a hot bed of boxing talent either (although the fact remains that the greatest "British fighter" of all time learned to box in Canada, but that's a whole other issue).

Difference is, Canada generally doesn't care about boxing. We like hockey.

The Brits LOVE boxing, yet they produce so few real quality fighters.

[ryanman]

Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.

They never had mainstream appeal in the States.

Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.

You really don't like Britain hey? Major chip on your shoulder boy.

I like Britain just fine - my grandmother was born in Hull. But as far as producing quality, world class, ATG fighters... you lot are lacking. That's what's up.

Canada though?

Well hell, I never claimed Canada was a hot bed of boxing talent either (although the fact remains that the greatest "British fighter" of all time learned to box in Canada, but that's a whole other issue).

Difference is, Canada generally doesn't care about boxing. We like hockey.

The Brits LOVE boxing, yet they produce so few real quality fighters.

Actually, not that this gives me any pleasure, but it's probably about the 7th most popular sport in Britain. Sure, some fights really take off and the general public get into it, but that's only every couple of years.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Yeah boxing is NOT a popular sport in this country

[Spicoli]

Yeh Lewis for sure. Its weird. Eubanks make his pro debut in the States, wins another 5,6 here and never came back. His rival Benn came over after Watson loss to rebuild by destroying a couple of 'names' on network tv and then leaves to not come back. Some Americans become world travelers to build a name. Winky literally fought in his backyard early but once he left the U.S started to blow up. The exposure and ease with which we are able to follow or learn fighters now with a key stroke is immeasurable.

[Fenster]

Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.

They never had mainstream appeal in the States.

Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.

Naz had a six-fight $12 million deal with HBO, his American debut with Kevin Kelley, packing out Madison Square Garden, broke the all-time gate record for a featherweight fight, he ended his USA career at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on PPV against a fighter that had never previously been on PPV. It did 310,000 buys.

Barrera-Morales II - 290,000 buys.
Barrera-Morales III - 300,000 buys.
Barrera-Marquez - 225,000 buys.

Even with the popularity Barrera got from beating Naz, and facing genuine great American based Mexican fighters, the PPV numbers still came up short of the Naz fight. Naz was the A-side.

Naz = US "star." Fact.

[Dark Lord Al]

Didn't the thread say European champion ?
That's why I said Lloyd Honeyghan.
For example Hamed was never European Feather champion, then he challenged Robinson.
See my point ?

[ryanman]

Didn't the thread say European champion ?
That's why I said Lloyd Honeyghan.
For example Hamed was never European Feather champion, then he challenged Robinson.
See my point ?

Yeah, just took it as it was meant.

[Dark Lord Al]

Didn't the thread say European champion ?
That's why I said Lloyd Honeyghan.
For example Hamed was never European Feather champion, then he challenged Robinson.
See my point ?

Yeah, just took it as it was meant.

You are saying you cant read ?

[ryanman]

Didn't the thread say European champion ?
That's why I said Lloyd Honeyghan.
For example Hamed was never European Feather champion, then he challenged Robinson.
See my point ?

Yeah, just took it as it was meant.

You are saying you cant read ?

ha, no, just that I presumed the thread starter made an error. But you have to be a smart Al(ec)

[Fenster]

Getting back to the original question - The problem for GGG to become an American "star" (PPV/Las Vegas) is his opponents. There's only a couple of American "superstars" around the middle/supermiddle division. In fact you can argue that there's none at supermiddle, Ward has never got close to being a PPV/Vegas guy, a Froch fight would enhance his standing but is not PPV.

Obviously Pacquiao is not European, but he is a foreigner in America, so to make a comparison - his rise to superstardom started with Oscar (one of the biggest boxing stars ever) and backed that up by facing Hatton (PPV fighter) and Cotto (PPV fighter). And all this came on the back of already being an established great fighter with legendary fights against Barrera, Morales and Marquez. He had the Latino market onside.

[ross]

Which European fighters have achieved that over in the states Naz, Hatton and maybe Joe Calzhage.

They never had mainstream appeal in the States.

Naz was on the brink but got whipped by MAB and put on 100 pounds.

Mainstream appeal is appearing on chatshows is it not?