Run-clinch-dance-grab: at some point should fighters be DQ'ed?

[brocktonblockbust]

Toothless Taco
David Jaco
Marciano, Rocco
Ron Price
Thinks twice
about The hay maker
David Price
Vincent Price
fried rice
vanilla Ice

[Dia bando]

Toothless Taco
David Jaco
Marciano, Rocco
Ron Price
Thinks twice
about The hay maker
David Price
Vincent Price
fried rice
vanilla Ice

This seems nice
But I like fried rice
And Ron Price
Brock look twice
And just be nice
Once or twice

[Silkeyjoe]

Im not sure on this. I completely get what everyone is saying but what about the guys who come in real low to get on the inside and then throw their heads around using it as a weapon? Thats not exactly fair for the more skilled boxer.

[Master]

Most fighters do it, remember getting annoyed at Vernon Forrest doing it against Shane in their second fight. Hatton did it a lot later in his career. It is up to the ref. Get Mills Lane type and they will not do it.

[mikeeod]

I think that the refs should let guys fight out of the clinch more. There is a skill to fighting inside, and some of that comes from maneuvering a guy into certain position through the clinch. The issue is that guys tie a fighter up and both just wait for the ref to break them. Watch John Ruiz, a notorious clincher, fight James Toney. James was the first guy I saw who didn't whine to the ref or just sit in the clinch with Ruiz and he would punish him inside. Watch old school fighters everyone says are ATGs like Robinson and Duran. They would clinch in close much like Ward and a Hopkins today. There is a skill involved when done correctly.

[Dia bando]

It's strange a guy like Hopkins is put on a pedestal, as a amazing fighter he is one of the worst fighters
for clinching and grabbing, truly horrible fighter to watch, but the refs love him they are to much
into licking his ass, than deducting him any points.

[Master]

It's strange a guy like Hopkins is put on a pedestal, as a amazing fighter he is one of the worst fighters
for clinching and grabbing, truly horrible fighter to watch, but the refs love him they are to much
into licking his ass, than deducting him any points.

I think BHop is cute about it and it is not excessive.

[Spicoli]

I think more than half of all holding is or becomes a mutual agreement as a fight goes. You can work out or capitalize, become a learned counter as you sure know where a guys hands are...and that the head is open. Start stepping on feet! Not big on yet another official put into place to count punches or holds. Refs just have to be the boss...take a page from the Jack Reiss book like Bike v Dirrell 2

"Come on man, what both of you guys are doing is shit"

[vidgil]

Refs need to start taking points away for timidity, I agree 100%.

It would decrease the amount of stinking fights we see and would be better for boxing.

[chef97]

A lot of times many of these rules aren't even enforced.... Some refs just allow too much grabbing/holding which infuriates me to no end.... Move your feet/head and keep your guard up to avoid punches and also to get yourself into position to punch..... From my youth boxing coach: for every punch there's a counter and for every counter there's a punch..... IMHO punches landed should always win the day but that's not always how things tun out in the boxing ring....

[beenKOed]

I think that the refs should let guys fight out of the clinch more. There is a skill to fighting inside, and some of that comes from maneuvering a guy into certain position through the clinch. The issue is that guys tie a fighter up and both just wait for the ref to break them. Watch John Ruiz, a notorious clincher, fight James Toney. James was the first guy I saw who didn't whine to the ref or just sit in the clinch with Ruiz and he would punish him inside. Watch old school fighters everyone says are ATGs like Robinson and Duran. They would clinch in close much like Ward and a Hopkins today. There is skill involved when done correctly.

I agree with you, it seems like the referees are too eager to jump in during a clinch. I know there is no other option in some fights but I like to see them work out of a clinch if they can.
I can understand why everybody hates the clinching, when it's excessive it's ruins a fight.