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    Default Re: In a fair fight with an honest referee Golovkin would KO Andre Ward

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    I can't wait for the days when those that only appreciate face first boxing stop telling everyone else what is enjoyable
    It goes both ways, right? Same thing for people who only view defensive counter-punching as the sweet science. There's beauty in an artful volume puncher and in a defensive wizard. Great boxing technique is just that: great boxing technique, no matter if it is great offensive or defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
    I can't wait for the days when those that only appreciate face first boxing stop telling everyone else what is enjoyable
    It goes both ways, right? Same thing for people who only view defensive counter-punching as the sweet science. There's beauty in an artful volume puncher and in a defensive wizard. Great boxing technique is just that: great boxing technique, no matter if it is great offensive or defense.
    I can't remember once reading a fan of defensive fighters saying that Arturro Gatti was boring or Mickey ward etcetera. But I read daily that Ward is boring or Mayweather or Bradley etcetera. If someone wants to say "I find Ward to be boring" that would be fine with me. But it's hardly ever put like that. It's Ward is boring. You have to admit the statement is unfair. Why should one group speak for all?

    I actually don't like Ward but I've watched the man shadow box probably 50 times. It's compelling the way he goes about it. You can visualize the opponent. The man is in a fight in his head. Not just moving and throwing the right punches but nullifying the shadow opponent. I've learned more watching him shadow box than I learned watching fights of a favorite like Benn.

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    Default Re: In a fair fight with an honest referee Golovkin would KO Andre Ward

    Ron,
    I think most people believe they are speaking for themselves. At least originally when commenting on wards style. A little bit of vented frustration, keyboard bravado and lack of proper phrasing thrown in and one of those blanket statements gets blurted out I dont really think its meant in a way that would destroy for the rest of everyone. I mean after all your word or mine probably wouldn't even be heard by Ward or his biggest supporters or the guys who make the decisions at the networks.

    I think the crux of the issue becomes more clear when then evidence turns up that it might be more than a few irritated casual fans (at least outside the board). When people stop watching and ratings drop and there's no demand for tickets outside of oakland... The sentiment becomes more prevalent than just one fan's opinion. Apparently those opinions carry more weight than a one from a guy like me who sits home watching and feinting from his couch and swearing at his tv or any a keyboard warrior. Without these viewership/profit issues, these opinions would just be hollow statements and I believe that's what they are till the bottom line at hbo or showtime is a little light and the gate still has tickets.

    While wards style is not my particular brand of vodka, I can't/ won't stop the guy from making a living as a fighter. However, its apparently happening anyway. Promotional issues, network execs turning the lights out on him and rigo and i didnt have to say a word. The tribe has spoken and apparently the only one who can't hear it is ward. He will fight his way, his weight class, his hometown, for the money he wants and not a penny less... and you have to respect him sticking to his guns... but he's not footing the bill for the show and who knows if anyone will show up to see the andre ward show, starring andre ward, directed by andre ward, produced by andre ward... if and when it makes an appearance again.

    Its an interesting crossroads between the 3 philosophies on wording an opinion...

    Andre ward's: "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me.."

    The fans: "Actions speak louder than words...."

    The networks: "Money Talks and Bull$h*t walks..."

    When it comes to who's word is Law... and whose voice is the loudest.. opinions may vary.. but cash is king, unfortunately..
    They want your @$$ beat because upsets make news. News brings about excitement, excitement brings about ratings. The objective is to bring you up to the tower and tear your @$$ down. And if you don't believe that, you're crazy.

    Roy Jones, Jr. "What I've Learned," Esquire 2003

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