Tyson at welterweight.

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Tyson would be very short, if we say the average welter weight is 5 foot 8 inches then Tyson would be 5 foot 3 and other than his punch power most elite welterweights would be able to avoid his punches.

No, if we are talking scaling him down, the man was a phenomenon at heavy, why all of a sudden wouldn't he be physically special at welter?

The massive heavies who had a bigger size advantage couldn't avoid his punches.

Tyson never fought a great heavyweight or the equivalent great welterweight would be Ray Robinson or Leonard. Tyson would not be able to beat them.

Larry Holmes is in everyones top ten?

He was 2 years past his fight with Spinks but its the Way Mike beat him. Holyfield is rated higher than Mike but he struggled against Holmes 4 years later and that included another 3 years out and a win over Mercer.

Ray Robinson lost to LaMotta, Leonard lost to Duran. Pressure fighters. Pressure fighters who didn't have Mikes power, speed or intensity.

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Tyson never fought a guy as fast as Pacquiao, how would he have dealt with that if he was 4'9?

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Tyson never fought a guy as fast as Pacquiao, how would he have dealt with that if he was 4'9?

Has Pacquaio ever fought someone as fast as Tyson? As hard to hit?

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Of course he has, Tyson was a heavyweight I'm trolling really, just think it's a bit of a pointless thing to ask what if a big man weighed 150 pounds, or vice versa. The body mechanics of a heavy and a welterweight are so different, you'd end up with completely different guys.

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Of course he has, Tyson was a heavyweight I'm trolling really, just think it's a bit of a pointless thing to ask what if a big man weighed 150 pounds, or vice versa. The body mechanics of a heavy and a welterweight are so different, you'd end up with completely different guys.

Who has Pacquiao fought with as many first round kayos?

Who has Pacquiao faced that was undisputed champ in any weight?

Who has he faced with Tysons KO percentage?

He hasnt faced anyone of Tysons greatness.

[beenKOed]

Of course he has, Tyson was a heavyweight I'm trolling really, just think it's a bit of a pointless thing to ask what if a big man weighed 150 pounds, or vice versa. The body mechanics of a heavy and a welterweight are so different, you'd end up with completely different guys.

This thread is all about if, if you have some time to waste this is the place to do it. lol

[mikeeod]

Tyson was a great heavyweight, but he is a level below Evander, Lennox, Klitschkos...etc. He feasted in one of the sorriest bunch if heavyweights ever. It was great that he forced guys to start training for fear of fighting him out of shape, but he never beat a great fighter who was still in his prime. Holmes was well past his best when they fought, and Spinks was a light heavy who was intimidated and showed up for his paycheck. Any elite fighter he faced that had the mentality to beat him didn't just beat him, they knocked him out. I like Mike Tyson. I think he was a hard worker and exciting fighter to watch. I feel bad for the way he was taken advantage if throughout his life and I feel like he took being sentenced to prison for a crime he didn't commit like a man. The myth of prime Tyson, however, has reached ridiculous levels. He is above guys like Berbick, Page, Tubbs, Tucker, Bruno... Etc., but not on the level of Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis and certainly not anywhere near Ali and Louis.

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Tyson was a great heavyweight, but he is a level below Evander, Lennox, Klitschkos...etc. He feasted in one of the sorriest bunch if heavyweights ever. It was great that he forced guys to start training for fear of fighting him out of shape, but he never beat a great fighter who was still in his prime. Holmes was well past his best when they fought, and Spinks was a light heavy who was intimidated and showed up for his paycheck. Any elite fighter he faced that had the mentality to beat him didn't just beat him, they knocked him out. I like Mike Tyson. I think he was a hard worker and exciting fighter to watch. I feel bad for the way he was taken advantage if throughout his life and I feel like he took being sentenced to prison for a crime he didn't commit like a man. The myth of prime Tyson, however, has reached ridiculous levels. He is above guys like Berbick, Page, Tubbs, Tucker, Bruno... Etc., but not on the level of Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis and certainly not anywhere near Ali and Louis.

Same old crap spouted by anyone wanting to diminish Tysons acheivments.

Mike fought and beat 3 separate, defending belt holders, the lineal champ and anihalated an all time great who went on to give Mercer his first loss and push Holyfield hard for 12 rounds 6 years after he retired!! In between that he beat the rest of the division and held the three titles together in 6 successful title defences. No other fighter in any other division has made 6 successive defences of all three titles!

Who did "Evander, Lennox and Klitschko" beat that proved to be any better than any fighter Tyson beat?

Holmes beats any of their opponents. In fact the Holmes that Tyson beat probably had enough left to beat Holyfield. He pushed him close 4 years after being flattened by Tyson.

Spinks would probably beat Holyfield also.

[Master]

Tyson was a great heavyweight, but he is a level below Evander, Lennox, Klitschkos...etc. He feasted in one of the sorriest bunch if heavyweights ever. It was great that he forced guys to start training for fear of fighting him out of shape, but he never beat a great fighter who was still in his prime. Holmes was well past his best when they fought, and Spinks was a light heavy who was intimidated and showed up for his paycheck. Any elite fighter he faced that had the mentality to beat him didn't just beat him, they knocked him out. I like Mike Tyson. I think he was a hard worker and exciting fighter to watch. I feel bad for the way he was taken advantage if throughout his life and I feel like he took being sentenced to prison for a crime he didn't commit like a man. The myth of prime Tyson, however, has reached ridiculous levels. He is above guys like Berbick, Page, Tubbs, Tucker, Bruno... Etc., but not on the level of Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis and certainly not anywhere near Ali and Louis.

I agree with Ali and Louis because Ali beat greater fighters and Louis showed consistency with 25 defences but Holyfield was too inconsistent, Lewis was vulnerable early and the Klit brothers a league below.

Yes Berbick, Thomas, Tubbs, Tucker, Bruno, Spinks and Holmes (old) were not brilliant but the way he beat them demonstrated he was a great fighter.

[mikeeod]

Did u watch the Holmes vs Holyfield fight? I did. Holmes didn't push him hard at all, Evander is a counterpuncher and Holmes fought at a measured pace. It's not like it was a close or disputed decision. As for who Evander beat that was good or better than Tyson's sorry bunch of opponents: Riddick Bowe was light years better than anyone Tuson ever beat. Moorer was better than anyone Tyson beat. Tyson was a 15-1 favorite, and better than anyone Tyson beat. I agree that Evander was inconsistent, but that was due to him fighting EVERY tough fighter he could get in the ring with. He also has more historical accomplishments than Tyson. You can't name one elite fighter that Mike beat while that fighter was active and in his prime. Not one. Spinks was tiny and got two disputed decisions over an old Holmes. Holmes was out of the ring for years and was blown out by Tyson, partially because he walked in off the street with no tune ups unlike when he fought Mercer n Evander. If guys were scared of Mike, he was a terror. When guys fought back for more than 5 rounds, Mike broke mentally.

[Master]

Did u watch the Holmes vs Holyfield fight? I did. Holmes didn't push him hard at all, Evander is a counterpuncher and Holmes fought at a measured pace. It's not like it was a close or disputed decision. As for who Evander beat that was good or better than Tyson's sorry bunch of opponents: Riddick Bowe was light years better than anyone Tuson ever beat. Moorer was better than anyone Tyson beat. Tyson was a 15-1 favorite, and better than anyone Tyson beat. I agree that Evander was inconsistent, but that was due to him fighting EVERY tough fighter he could get in the ring with. He also has more historical accomplishments than Tyson. You can't name one elite fighter that Mike beat while that fighter was active and in his prime. Not one. Spinks was tiny and got two disputed decisions over an old Holmes. Holmes was out of the ring for years and was blown out by Tyson, partially because he walked in off the street with no tune ups unlike when he fought Mercer n Evander. If guys were scared of Mike, he was a terror. When guys fought back for more than 5 rounds, Mike broke mentally.

Moorer? Please! You normally write sensible posts, remember what Tua did to Micheal? Moorer would not last 30 seconds.

Tyson beat plenty of fighter after 5 rounds, it was not that simple.

Holyfield was lucky he did not face a prime Tyson otherwise he would have been obliterated.

[mikeeod]

2 more points.
1) Lennox cleaned out the division completely and beat Evander and Vitali, both of whom were better than anyone Tyson beat (thought Evander won the rematch with Lewis though). He also destroyed Ruddock (who Tyson struggled with), Morrison, Michael Grant, Golota, Shannon Briggs and Rahman (rematch). He won a war vs Mercer, who when in shape like he was for this fight was better than most of Tyson's opponents.
2) pretty sure Hop defended all three belts more than 6 times. I hate doing this because I'm a fan of Mikes, but if u look at his record he doesn't have that many great wins or great competition. He just doesn't.

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2 more points.
1) Lennox cleaned out the division completely and beat Evander and Vitali, both of whom were better than anyone Tyson beat (thought Evander won the rematch with Lewis though). He also destroyed Ruddock (who Tyson struggled with), Morrison, Michael Grant, Golota, Shannon Briggs and Rahman (rematch). He won a war vs Mercer, who when in shape like he was for this fight was better than most of Tyson's opponents.
2) pretty sure Hop defended all three belts more than 6 times. I hate doing this because I'm a fan of Mikes, but if u look at his record he doesn't have that many great wins or great competition. He just doesn't.

Hopkins matched the 6 but lost to Taylor in the 7th!

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2 more points.
1) Lennox cleaned out the division completely and beat Evander and Vitali, both of whom were better than anyone Tyson beat (thought Evander won the rematch with Lewis though). He also destroyed Ruddock (who Tyson struggled with), Morrison, Michael Grant, Golota, Shannon Briggs and Rahman (rematch). He won a war vs Mercer, who when in shape like he was for this fight was better than most of Tyson's opponents.
2) pretty sure Hop defended all three belts more than 6 times. I hate doing this because I'm a fan of Mikes, but if u look at his record he doesn't have that many great wins or great competition. He just doesn't.

Lennox should have lost to Mercer. The same Mercer Holmes beat 6 years after getting wiped out by Tyson.....

Mercer was better than most of Tysons opponents? One of his easiest wins gave Mercer his first loss!!!

Ruddock was softened by Tyson.

[Ron Swanson]

If you magically turned SRL into a full sized heavyweight he would never lose 5 seconds of any round he ever fought.