David Haines beheading: David Cameron says Britain will hunt down Isis 'monsters'

[Dia bando]

[QUOTE=Dark Lord Al;1269221]

Yes they have.
In the past I was critical that the Muslim community didn't voice opposition loudly. But it is not the case this time. People need to be flexible enough to see that what (arguably) applied before doesn't necessarily apply now.

Sadly it is actually only a minority who have spoken out and most Muslims in this country are not moderate at all. This is an uncomfortable truth that we must face before we can change anything.

Disagree with you for the first time. Majority of muslims are against these extremists, they have killed more Muslims than the US have and are more of a danger to Iraqis.

You are right and taking their passports, not allowing them back in, tag them and monitor them and make their lives unbearable.

Muslims took to the streets in angry protest at the bombing in gaza , and I mean in their thousands. So until they do this in protest against Isis , then their lack of action says they either support or condone them. A public statement by one Muslim does not do it for me sorry buddy.

Al has a good point and the thing is they are very good condoning none Muslims, but there own
there lips are sealed. The Muslims if they want Fundamentalism are in the wrong Country, this
should not be tolerated by the powers that be.

[Gandalf]

Why should ordinary Muslims be protesting about Isis in numbers? Maybe the hysteria has been so whipped up that many ordinary Muslims are simply frightened. Frightened of a government that hates everybody in society and funds terror, frightened of prejudiced people who lap it all up, and frightened of what they are reading in the papers everyday. If you were to believe The Daily Mail etc, it is pretty scary stuff. Though I don't for a moment believe it is an accurate picture myself.

I think most people are struggling in a world that has been designed to make people suffer. By the same token children are being abused all around the country and gag orders are being put on care home investigations. You could also ask why don't parents protest about institutional paedophilia in large numbers? Why are British parents not concerned about the abuse of children? It's a scary topic and most people are not outspoken.

Again I wouldn't blame all parents when many are really struggling to survive, let alone get down to London and vent their anger for days at a time. I apply the same to moderate Muslims.

[Beanz]

Why should ordinary Muslims be protesting about Isis in numbers? Maybe the hysteria has been so whipped up that many ordinary Muslims are simply frightened. Frightened of a government that hates everybody in society and funds terror, frightened of prejudiced people who lap it all up, and frightened of what they are reading in the papers everyday. If you were to believe The Daily Mail etc, it is pretty scary stuff. Though I don't for a moment believe it is an accurate picture myself.

I think most people are struggling in a world that has been designed to make people suffer. By the same token children are being abused all around the country and gag orders are being put on care home investigations. You could also ask why don't parents protest about institutional paedophilia in large numbers? Why are British parents not concerned about the abuse of children? It's a scary topic and most people are not outspoken.

Again I wouldn't blame all parents when many are really struggling to survive, let alone get down to London and vent their anger for days at a time. I apply the same to moderate Muslims.

Ordinary Muslims should be protesting about Isis in numbers because large numbers of "ordinary" muslims are sympathetic to the idea of imposing their own ideology on others. If they do not speak out, then they are suggesting to their young men that the behaviour of Isis is understandable and excusable, just like you do on a regular basis. Maybe Muslims girls and women forced to hide their God given beauty under a veil and burqa are frightened. Maybe moderate Muslims trapped by a religion that teaches intolerance are frightened to speak out. Maybe ordinary people who are told that they are prejudiced for feeling uncomfortable in the presence of such censorship are frightened.

Why do you seek to diminish the intelligence of the Brtish people and portray them as all dumb tabloid readers ? Why do you continually change the subject ? Is it because you are seeking to pretend that the liberal tolerance that you enjoy, should not have to be extended to all citizens of the UK, and that victims of Islamic extremism, inside and out of the religion, somehow deserve it ?

[Gandalf]

Why should ordinary Muslims be protesting about Isis in numbers? Maybe the hysteria has been so whipped up that many ordinary Muslims are simply frightened. Frightened of a government that hates everybody in society and funds terror, frightened of prejudiced people who lap it all up, and frightened of what they are reading in the papers everyday. If you were to believe The Daily Mail etc, it is pretty scary stuff. Though I don't for a moment believe it is an accurate picture myself.

I think most people are struggling in a world that has been designed to make people suffer. By the same token children are being abused all around the country and gag orders are being put on care home investigations. You could also ask why don't parents protest about institutional paedophilia in large numbers? Why are British parents not concerned about the abuse of children? It's a scary topic and most people are not outspoken.

Again I wouldn't blame all parents when many are really struggling to survive, let alone get down to London and vent their anger for days at a time. I apply the same to moderate Muslims.

Ordinary Muslims should be protesting about Isis in numbers because large numbers of "ordinary" muslims are sympathetic to the idea of imposing their own ideology on others. If they do not speak out, then they are suggesting to their young men that the behaviour of Isis is understandable and excusable, just like you do on a regular basis. Maybe Muslims girls and women forced to hide their God given beauty under a veil and burqa are frightened. Maybe moderate Muslims trapped by a religion that teaches intolerance are frightened to speak out. Maybe ordinary people who are told that they are prejudiced for feeling uncomfortable in the presence of such censorship are frightened.

Why do you seek to diminish the intelligence of the Brtish people and portray them as all dumb tabloid readers ? Why do you continually change the subject ? Is it because you are seeking to pretend that the liberal tolerance that you enjoy, should not have to be extended to all citizens of the UK, and that victims of Islamic extremism, inside and out of the religion, somehow deserve it ?

I don't diminish the intelligence of ordinary people, but I know that you cannot be completely aware and active when you work hard to just feed your family and pay the rent. The glimpse of the paper or the nightly news is typically your information.

The reason I brought up child abuse is because it is easy to blame groups for not being active, but most people are not active. It isn't a Muslim trait, it is a societal trait. Where are the mass protests about child abuse? Or Isis? Or privatised health care?

Personally, I would love to see more activism. Here hundreds of thousands were protesting US beef. Beef! Day in day out. I didn't agree with the issue, but the numbers were impressive. Yet, in the UK there is a lot more apathy over far more serious issues. Only Gaza seems to wake anyone up.