Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago

[Maravilla2012]

Floyd has obliterated who to make you think he can beat pac?

How about the guy who KTFO Pac and arguably beat him 4 times?

I'm not a big believer in boxing math (A>B, B>C, A>C), but Pac struggled hard with JMM's mobile counter punching, and Floyd proved that JMM isn't even in his league in terms of counter punching, speed, and overall skill.

You do have to remember that he jumped two weight classes just for Floyd to not even make weight so I don't know why people consider this such a great win for Floyd.

[powerpuncher]

I actually agree with this. Back when this fight was first talked about, I thought that Floyd would easily outbox then TKO Pac. At this point, Floyd has slowed down enough to where I think that he would really play it safe and just stay on the outside and hold like we saw in the maidana rematch. I think he still wins but it's tougher and uglier.

[J_Undisputed]

I can see the original posters argument here. I still think things are a bit skewed. Floyds legs have rusted up a little and he's not quite as mobile. He's slowing down and might not avoid every punch he's trying to avoid. I still consider Floyd sandbagged with using a bad style for the first part of 1st maidana fight.


With Pac, i'm not saying he's dead in the water but I don't think he's back to his best. A knockout like that changes a fighter. Not to mention he's taken his foot off the gas in fights prior to that. Pac fought on and that's great. Rebounding against rios (who was a limited slugger that's there to take a beating) and Bradley rematch (but everyone knew pac won the first fight anyway)


If we still believe these too are the best 2 fighters at the weight. I'd like to see Pacquiao win but I still think Floyds bigger at the weight and his style will be the ace up his sleeve. Unless Freddy's got a hell of game plan up his sleeve and Manny pressing every minute of every round.. its hard to really feel that Manny would be in control of the fight unless Floyds mentally distracted which is entirely possible considering the split with golden boy (forcing him to be lead promoter) and Ellerbe.

[chris6878]

Floyd has obliterated who to make you think he can beat pac?

How about the guy who KTFO Pac and arguably beat him 4 times?

I'm not a big believer in boxing math (A>B, B>C, A>C), but Pac struggled hard with JMM's mobile counter punching, and Floyd proved that JMM isn't even in his league in terms of counter punching, speed, and overall skill.

You do have to remember that he jumped two weight classes just for Floyd to not even make weight so I don't know why people consider this such a great win for Floyd.

Exactly I knew someone would mention that. Then he backs it up with not being a beliver in boxing math?!?!?

Pac beat him how many times, and yet kept fighting him. Jmm finnaly ko's pac, but not before getting the blood beat out of him....jmm was leaking do you remember that. and like I said, who has floyd obliterated in the last few years

[Ron Swanson]

Floyd has obliterated who to make you think he can beat pac?

How about the guy who KTFO Pac and arguably beat him 4 times?

I'm not a big believer in boxing math (A>B, B>C, A>C), but Pac struggled hard with JMM's mobile counter punching, and Floyd proved that JMM isn't even in his league in terms of counter punching, speed, and overall skill.

You do have to remember that he jumped two weight classes just for Floyd to not even make weight so I don't know why people consider this such a great win for Floyd.

Nobody considers it a great win for Floyd. But JMM has admitted himself he has no chance against Floyd and that Floyd would beat PAC. Just like Hatton said Floyd would beat Psc. And Mosley said. And Delahoya said. Who has said PAC would beat Floyd other than fans, Bob Arum, and Roach? We know Roach is a liar and Arum hahahaha, look through the threads and you will see fans lie about Floyd. So who really believes PAC would beat Floyd?

[Silkeyjoe]

I disagree and believe Floyd knows he has a better chance know which is why it didnt happen earluier. Manny relies on pure speed. Floyd has so much more to his game. A slowdown with age damages Pac more than Floyd.

[Manos de Piedra]

I agree with the OP.
I think it's a 50/50 fight now but i lean towards Floyd's skill to win him the fight.

[erics44]

i gree pac has a better chance now than hhas had a certain points but the pac that beat cotto, hatton, margarito was awesome, i think at that time it would have been a difficult one to pic

[Bo-Bo24]

If they fought now it would be a very cautious affair I think. It looks like the day's of Floyd ever coming close to knocking someone out are over and I think the same can be said of Pacman who would of KO'd Tim Bradley at his peak.. like many people have said lets see what happens in Pac's next fight to see where he stands in the boxing world today.

[Manos de Piedra]

Floyd has obliterated who to make you think he can beat pac?

How about the guy who KTFO Pac and arguably beat him 4 times?

I'm not a big believer in boxing math (A>B, B>C, A>C), but Pac struggled hard with JMM's mobile counter punching, and Floyd proved that JMM isn't even in his league in terms of counter punching, speed, and overall skill.

You do have to remember that he jumped two weight classes just for Floyd to not even make weight so I don't know why people consider this such a great win for Floyd.

Nobody considers it a great win for Floyd. But JMM has admitted himself he has no chance against Floyd and that Floyd would beat PAC. Just like Hatton said Floyd would beat Psc. And Mosley said. And Delahoya said. Who has said PAC would beat Floyd other than fans, Bob Arum, and Roach? We know Roach is a liar and Arum hahahaha, look through the threads and you will see fans lie about Floyd. So who really believes PAC would beat Floyd?

To add to that list many sparring partners who have sparred both men also pick Floyd to win.

[ninjaspy3]

Pacquiao doesn't use a swarmer style like Maidana, which I think is what caused Mayweather much of the trouble. I think Floyd is getting older, so that plays a part too, but since Pacquiao won't be shoving Mayweather into the corner and swinging punches from high and low, I think Mayweather will have the opportunity to use more of his outside boxing skills which I think he prefers at this point.

[zhubin]

Incredible how Floyd haters will say the absolute most moronic things. "Pac has a better shot now..."?! "Floyd has slipped more...."?! What made Pac unique was his athleticism and output. Both have slipped CONSIDERABLY. His speed is not what it was. His power (whatever the reason) is not what it was. And even his nonstop volume is not what it was. Unlike Floyd, he doesn't have the tremendous skill set and ring IQ to fall back on. Put all that aside....Marquez showed that Pac cannot handle slick counter punchers...and Floyd even NOW is a big step up from JMM. Floyd has slowed...but even this version of him would box the ears of Manny.

[IamInuit]

Incredible how Floyd haters will say the absolute most moronic things. "Pac has a better shot now..."?! "Floyd has slipped more...."?! What made Pac unique was his athleticism and output. Both have slipped CONSIDERABLY. His speed is not what it was. His power (whatever the reason) is not what it was. And even his nonstop volume is not what it was. Unlike Floyd, he doesn't have the tremendous skill set and ring IQ to fall back on. Put all that aside....Marquez showed that Pac cannot handle slick counter punchers...and Floyd even NOW is a big step up from JMM. Floyd has slowed...but even this version of him would box the ears of Manny.

Why is it moronic to suggest that Manny has a better shot now then he did years ago? It should be obvious to anyone that Floyd has lost a step or two. He does not have the legs he used to and refrains even fighting off the back foot. And he does not like southpaws. In fact the entire family hates them. The hate them because Floyds operating behind the left shoulder has been geared toward orthodox fighters.This goes as far back as Sammy when there were no southpaws and those that did exist were quickly converted to orthodox.

People keep talking about his success with southpaws, like what? The only thing Ortiz confirmed was that Cortez was a hack and that Vic seemed more interested in sticking his tongue down Floyds throat then he was fighting him. Plus he was an average fighter at best, slow and rinse and repeat. Same with Guerrero, just how special a leftie was he? Not very. Better then Ortiz perhaps but so what and he is most likely slower. Fundamentally sound enough to beat the likes of the sloppy Berto and grind it out against Aydin but hardly the Lew Tendler of his time.

Its not good enough to just be a southpaw. If you dont have the movement and speed to go along with it its just another day at the office for Floyd. Mitchell had some but might as well have entered the ring with his hands duct taped to his thighs. Every time he even got into position both his hands were down and negated everything all on his own. Chop Chop was the first guy to really reveal some kinks from the southpaw side and however brief it was because of his movement and speed as shown here:

Floyd is nowhere near as mobile as he was at that time in his career and Corley was not as fast as Manny is today or carry the same buzz on his shots. Should Manny get Floyd into a similar position it will provide some interesting elements cause Manny wont let him off the hook. Judah gave him grief also and who knows how much better he could have done if he was focused like Manny is sure to be and not so mentally inept. It may not mean as much to historians and legacy with several asterisks to go along with its entry into the books but its more of a 50/50 fight today then it has ever been.

[imp]

Incredible how Floyd haters will say the absolute most moronic things. "Pac has a better shot now..."?! "Floyd has slipped more...."?! What made Pac unique was his athleticism and output. Both have slipped CONSIDERABLY. His speed is not what it was. His power (whatever the reason) is not what it was. And even his nonstop volume is not what it was. Unlike Floyd, he doesn't have the tremendous skill set and ring IQ to fall back on. Put all that aside....Marquez showed that Pac cannot handle slick counter punchers...and Floyd even NOW is a big step up from JMM. Floyd has slowed...but even this version of him would box the ears of Manny.

Why is it moronic to suggest that Manny has a better shot now then he did years ago? It should be obvious to anyone that Floyd has lost a step or two. He does not have the legs he used to and refrains even fighting off the back foot. And he does not like southpaws. In fact the entire family hates them. The hate them because Floyds operating behind the left shoulder has been geared toward orthodox fighters.This goes as far back as Sammy when there were no southpaws and those that did exist were quickly converted to orthodox.

People keep talking about his success with southpaws, like what? The only thing Ortiz confirmed was that Cortez was a hack and that Vic seemed more interested in sticking his tongue down Floyds throat then he was fighting him. Plus he was an average fighter at best, slow and rinse and repeat. Same with Guerrero, just how special a leftie was he? Not very. Better then Ortiz perhaps but so what and he is most likely slower. Fundamentally sound enough to beat the likes of the sloppy Berto and grind it out against Aydin but hardly the Lew Tendler of his time.

Its not good enough to just be a southpaw. If you dont have the movement and speed to go along with it its just another day at the office for Floyd. Mitchell had some but might as well have entered the ring with his hands duct taped to his thighs. Every time he even got into position both his hands were down and negated everything all on his own. Chop Chop was the first guy to really reveal some kinks from the southpaw side and however brief it was because of his movement and speed as shown here:

Floyd is nowhere near as mobile as he was at that time in his career and Corley was not as fast as Manny is today or carry the same buzz on his shots. Should Manny get Floyd into a similar position it will provide some interesting elements cause Manny wont let him off the hook. Judah gave him grief also and who knows how much better he could have done if he was focused like Manny is sure to be and not so mentally inept. It may not mean as much to historians and legacy with several asterisks to go along with its entry into the books but its more of a 50/50 fight today then it has ever been.

What I cant understand is that there have been 4 TYPES of manny against marquez on 4 different occasions!

Explain why all 4 versions were all close and they was no clear winner excluding the last fight!

All boxers loose speed and reflexes but manny being faster or better in his early days still didn't overrule marquez and floyd is better than marquez in every way.!

[Sleepwalker]

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