Can Alvarez EVER be great after losing comprehensively to Mayweather?

[erics44]

marquez be considered an ATG?

at his peak he lost every second of every round to floyd

[mikeeod]

marquez be considered an ATG?

at his peak he lost every second of every round to floyd

Haha! That is funny. JMM was coming up and Floyd didn't even make the contracted and agreed upon weight. That isn't a hit on JMM at all, and I would argue that JMM fought much tougher competition than Floyd did and provided much more excitement. I rank Floyd higher, but JMM is an ATG and definitely a HOF fighter.

[erics44]

marquez be considered an ATG?

at his peak he lost every second of every round to floyd

Haha! That is funny. JMM was coming up and Floyd didn't even make the contracted and agreed upon weight. That isn't a hit on JMM at all, and I would argue that JMM fought much tougher competition than Floyd did and provided much more excitement. I rank Floyd higher, but JMM is an ATG and definitely a HOF fighter.

i think he is , i also think that suggesting alcerez cant be coz he lost to floyd is a bit daft

and in any case, being an all time great isnt only about how good you were, there are many other factors

someone like ron lyle will always be remembered and could very well be considered an all time great because of that and thats just because Ali talked about him

[Beanflicker]

He got beaten by the greatest boxer of this generation.

Why can he never be great, when a guy like Roberto Duran who was outclassed, KTFO, quit in the middle of a title fight, ect is considered one of the p4p greatest to ever live?

[beenKOed]

He got beaten by the greatest boxer of this generation.

Why can he never be great, when a guy like Roberto Duran who was outclassed, KTFO, quit in the middle of a title fight, ect is considered one of the p4p greatest to ever live?

Agreed, getting beat by the best does not automatically lower expectations, he has a long career ahead.

[Primo Carnera]

He got beaten by the greatest boxer of this generation.

Why can he never be great, when a guy like Roberto Duran who was outclassed, KTFO, quit in the middle of a title fight, ect is considered one of the p4p greatest to ever live?

Agreed, getting beat by the best does not automatically lower expectations, he has a long career ahead.

To be fair, Duran could be considered an ATG on the strength of his career before he went up the weights and mixed it with Hagler, Hearns & Leonard.

[Master]

He got beaten by the greatest boxer of this generation.

Why can he never be great, when a guy like Roberto Duran who was outclassed, KTFO, quit in the middle of a title fight, ect is considered one of the p4p greatest to ever live?

Agreed, getting beat by the best does not automatically lower expectations, he has a long career ahead.

To be fair, Duran could be considered an ATG on the strength of his career before he went up the weights and mixed it with Hagler, Hearns & Leonard.

Do not listen to Beanflicker he thinks Floyd would beat Duran at lightweight.

[Beanflicker]

He got beaten by the greatest boxer of this generation.

Why can he never be great, when a guy like Roberto Duran who was outclassed, KTFO, quit in the middle of a title fight, ect is considered one of the p4p greatest to ever live?

Agreed, getting beat by the best does not automatically lower expectations, he has a long career ahead.

To be fair, Duran could be considered an ATG on the strength of his career before he went up the weights and mixed it with Hagler, Hearns & Leonard.

Don't get me wrong, I never said that to in any way diminish Duran, who is one of my favorite fighters of all time. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of writing off modern fighters with the first loss, when every past great has faltered at some point and gets a pass.

Roberto is an ATG even for all his shortcomings, and Canelo can become one too, depending on how the rest of his career plays out.

Also, if we want to get technical and call Duran an ATG based solely on his LW career, who did he beat at LW to make him an all time great? I ask because every day I come here I see someone saying Floyd isn't an ATG because his competition has been mediocre. Was Duran's competition at LW better than Floyd's career I wonder?

[oakleyno1]

He got beaten by the greatest boxer of this generation.

Why can he never be great, when a guy like Roberto Duran who was outclassed, KTFO, quit in the middle of a title fight, ect is considered one of the p4p greatest to ever live?

Duran firstly had the disadvantage of being considered the smaller guy - Canelo is bigger - but in fairness taking that point out - Duran beat Leonard - and did lose twice but he did beat him - he showed he was good enough - Canelo won't ever prove that - he will never get the rematch etc

Also Lara and Trout both pushed him to his very limits - I actually rate both highly but no where near greatness - I don't see Canelo improving hugely in the coming couple of years either

[Beanflicker]

Duran firstly had the disadvantage of being considered the smaller guy - Canelo is bigger - but in fairness taking that point out - Duran beat Leonard - and did lose twice but he did beat him - he showed he was good enough - Canelo won't ever prove that - he will never get the rematch etc

Also Lara and Trout both pushed him to his very limits - I actually rate both highly but no where near greatness - I don't see Canelo improving hugely in the coming couple of years either

Duran had a great career and was p4p one of the best ever but he had a lot of faults too, and as good as he was he quit in a prizefight because he had a tummy ache and he got blown out by one of his peers. I think those losses were much more embarrassing than losing by UD to Floyd Mayweather.

I'm not saying Canelo is going to be an ATG, I'm saying let's wait until he's finished his career to make that decision. In no way does losing to a guy of Mayweather's caliber DQ you from becoming an ATG. The kid is 24.