Can Alvarez EVER be great after losing comprehensively to Mayweather?

[mikeeod]

Canelo can be great if he switches trainers and adds some dimensions to his game. He is very comfortable boxing off the back foot and countering. He isn't very effective on the inside or cutting off the ring. If guys like Benton, Bouie Fisher...etc., were still around, they would be perfect for getting him where he needs to be. Nacho could be the guy also, but I don't think Canelo will switch trainers. In summary: the loss doesn't hurt his chances to be an ATG, his deficiencies that have been showcased in his less than stellar performances and his refusal to address those deficiencies will prevent him.

[ykdadamaja]

Unless he gets a rematch and beats Floyd, he will always be that second best guy that lost to Mayweather.

He should have waited for that fight vs. Mayweather.

Mayweather is looking weaker and weaker. The hits he took against Maidana in the two fights are telling... he looked worse after the second fights and took less hits than he did after the first fight, where he took more hits and the hits is what prompted a rematch.

Floyd can't retire too soon. One day it catches up- for him, let's hope he gets his two fights and wins before it really shows.

[powerpuncher]

Canelo can be great if he switches trainers and adds some dimensions to his game. He is very comfortable boxing off the back foot and countering. He isn't very effective on the inside or cutting off the ring. If guys like Benton, Bouie Fisher...etc., were still around, they would be perfect for getting him where he needs to be. Nacho could be the guy also, but I don't think Canelo will switch trainers. In summary: the loss doesn't hurt his chances to be an ATG, his deficiencies that have been showcased in his less than stellar performances and his refusal to address those deficiencies will prevent him.

This is basically what I think. The loss doesn't matter in the ATG debate. If canelo went on to be super dominant from now on, he could be great but he won't be because he just isn't that great of a fighter. I think that he will end up having a good career but definitely not a career which will consider him to be an ATG.

[mikeeod]

I feel like the welter Duran who beat Leonard beats Floyd. I feel like Duran beats Floyd at any weight 147 and below. I base that off of the success Castillo, Maidana and Hatton (at times) had vs Floyd. Jesus Chavez also roughed Floyd up and made things difficult. What many will point to, and it is a valid point, is that Floyd won those fights. What I will point out is that, from everything I've seen, those guys weren't in or even near Durans class of fighter.