Andre Ward- better than Floyd Mayweather?

[Master]

I swear I'm not trolling or trying to hate on Floyd, but I have to respectfully disagree with u on Floyd having a similar r comparable resume. Even at this point, I can see an argument that Ward has beaten superior competition. Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green and Dawson is a phenomenal line up. Especially considering each guys prime and standing at the time Ward beat them.

Andre has beaten more quality opposition? I don't think so.

People like to shit on Floyd's opposition but it really is underrated. You have to consider how good/respected the fighters were at the time.

For instance, we mention Arthur Abraham for Ward's credit, but in reality he was coming into the fight 1-2 in his last 3 including a complete domination by Froch.

If you think Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green and Dawson put Andre above Floyd you're either crazy or just hating.

At welterweight Floyd has beaten far less superior opposition to Ward at super middle.

[Beanflicker]

I swear I'm not trolling or trying to hate on Floyd, but I have to respectfully disagree with u on Floyd having a similar r comparable resume. Even at this point, I can see an argument that Ward has beaten superior competition. Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green and Dawson is a phenomenal line up. Especially considering each guys prime and standing at the time Ward beat them.

Andre has beaten more quality opposition? I don't think so.

People like to shit on Floyd's opposition but it really is underrated. You have to consider how good/respected the fighters were at the time.

For instance, we mention Arthur Abraham for Ward's credit, but in reality he was coming into the fight 1-2 in his last 3 including a complete domination by Froch.

If you think Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green and Dawson put Andre above Floyd you're either crazy or just hating.

At welterweight Floyd has beaten far less superior opposition to Ward at super middle.

Ok I'll put you on the spot, or anyone else who wants to have a go (I suspect nobody will), explain to me exactly why guys like 43-0 Ricky Hatton, JMM (who beat the guy Floyd is supposedly ducking 3/4 times by my count), Shane Mosley (people will say was old, but was actually ranked higher at the time Floyd fought him than he had been since his back to back losses to Vernon Forrest), ect, are so much worse than Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch, Allan Green, Sakio Bika, ect?

Explain to me how an Arthur Abraham, Sakio Bika, or Allan Green is a much better fighter and much more of a challenge than a guy like Marcos Maidana, or even lets say a Sharmba Mitchell (who Manny Stewart, on a HBO broadcast, said he thought would beat Mayweather).

And while people will no doubt fault Floyd for fighting Ricky at WW instead of 140 (I've gone into great detail over the years about how utterly stupid and devoid of logic this is), I'm sure people will see no issue in Ward making Dawson starve/drain down to a weight he hadn't fought at in 6 or 7 years prior. That's boxing forum logic for you, though haha

[Beanflicker]

And when I say that I in no way want to diminish Ward, who is a fantastic boxer, but nobody in their right mind can compare him to Mayweather. It's just idiocy.

[mikeeod]

I swear I'm not trolling or trying to hate on Floyd, but I have to respectfully disagree with u on Floyd having a similar r comparable resume. Even at this point, I can see an argument that Ward has beaten superior competition. Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green and Dawson is a phenomenal line up. Especially considering each guys prime and standing at the time Ward beat them.

Andre has beaten more quality opposition? I don't think so.

People like to shit on Floyd's opposition but it really is underrated. You have to consider how good/respected the fighters were at the time.

For instance, we mention Arthur Abraham for Ward's credit, but in reality he was coming into the fight 1-2 in his last 3 including a complete domination by Froch.

If you think Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green and Dawson put Andre above Floyd you're either crazy or just hating.

At welterweight Floyd has beaten far less superior opposition to Ward at super middle.

Ok I'll put you on the spot, or anyone else who wants to have a go (I suspect nobody will), explain to me exactly why guys like 43-0 Ricky Hatton, JMM (who beat the guy Floyd is supposedly ducking 3/4 times by my count), Shane Mosley (people will say was old, but was actually ranked higher at the time Floyd fought him than he had been since his back to back losses to Vernon Forrest), ect, are so much worse than Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch, Allan Green, Sakio Bika, ect?

Explain to me how an Arthur Abraham, Sakio Bika, or Allan Green is a much better fighter and much more of a challenge than a guy like Marcos Maidana, or even lets say a Sharmba Mitchell (who Manny Stewart, on a HBO broadcast, said he thought would beat Mayweather).

And while people will no doubt fault Floyd for fighting Ricky at WW instead of 140 (I've gone into great detail over the years about how utterly stupid and devoid of logic this is), I'm sure people will see no issue in Ward making Dawson starve/drain down to a weight he hadn't fought at in 6 or 7 years prior. That's boxing forum logic for you, though haha

I will gladly explain it to you. Marquez: Came up two weight classes with no acclimation fights and Floyd didn't even make the contractual weight. The JMM that beat Manny was much better at 147 than the small piss drinker who fought Floyd. If you can't see that, it's only because you don't want to. Mosely: NOWHERE near the undefeated fighter who Forrest beat, and actually worse than the Mosely that Winky Wright dominated. Shane had hype coming off of his knockout of Tony Margarito, but when you look at Margarito's state of mind after being busted trying to cheat, its easy to see how that is an overrated win. Shane hadn't beaten anyone of significance in years and his last solid performance prior to Mayweather/Margarito was his loss to Cotto.

Sharmba Mitchell? Are you kidding?? This is where the Floyd lovers just lose all credibility. The guy who was destroyed by Kostya Tszyu YEARS before Floyd fought him and didn't have a significant win in years? But Manny Steward said he stood a chance at winning so that makes him the biggest challenge out there, right? I can easily say that Bika was tougher, at that point, than a has been Mitchell with a bad knee was. Not even close.

Floyd's best wins were Hatton, Chico and Castillo. All three were at their peaks when he beat them, and two were undefeated (I also remember Hatton and Chico being ranked P4P when Floyd fought them, but I may remember wrong). Castillo was a very dominant champ who had pretty much cleaned out the division by beating Johnston, Ceasar Bazan, Juan Lazcano and Joel Casameyor around the time Floyd beat him (although I feel Floyd lost the first fight). Kessler, Froch and Dawson are Ward's best wins to date. Both have proven their worth and class in fights vs. Abraham, Dirrell, Groves, Pascal, Bute, Calzaghe...etc. and Ward dominated both. Dawson was the lineal champ a weightclass up and coming off of his win over Hop (being the first fighter to convincingly beat Hop since Roy) and Ward destroyed him. Most likely ruined his career. While Hatton was undefeated and an impressive win, I don't feel that his one big win over Kostya puts him over Froch, who had multiple big wins prior to his loss to Ward. Chico was destroying guys and had a good win vs. Gainer, but I don't view him as being as dangerous or versatile as Kessler. Castillo was a beast, and an impressive win, but I feel that he beat Floyd in the first fight and Floyd didn't destroy him like Ward did to Dawson (who I feel was on Castillo's level when it comes to quality of opposition beaten but more athletic than Castillo was).

[Ron Swanson]

The equal point in Floyd's career is the Ricky Hatton fight(fall of 30 years with similar birthdays)

By then Floyd was a 4 division champion with at least 4 HOFers on his resume and many others that would be considered if anyone on Wards resume is worthy of consideration.

Andre Ward would tell you this topic is absurd.

[IamInuit]

The equal point in Floyd's career is the Ricky Hatton fight(fall of 30 years with similar birthdays)

By then Floyd was a 4 division champion with at least 4 HOFers on his resume and many others that would be considered if anyone on Wards resume is worthy of consideration.

Andre Ward would tell you this topic is absurd.

Best keep any reference to Floyds fight with Ricky as evidence to something valid to a minimum. That was quite possibly the biggest freakin ref hack job that I have ever seen in this sport. Strike that. Not possibly but is.

[Ron Swanson]

The equal point in Floyd's career is the Ricky Hatton fight(fall of 30 years with similar birthdays)

By then Floyd was a 4 division champion with at least 4 HOFers on his resume and many others that would be considered if anyone on Wards resume is worthy of consideration.

Andre Ward would tell you this topic is absurd.

Best keep any reference to Floyds fight with Ricky as evidence to something valid to a minimum. That was quite possibly the biggest freakin ref hack job that I have ever seen in this sport. Strike that. Not possibly but is.

Changed the fight for sure but not the outcome. I watched 6 or 7 early Ricky fights yesterday because I have a bug. Compliments of Woobase. Blows my mind some don't appreciate his style.

[mikeeod]

The equal point in Floyd's career is the Ricky Hatton fight(fall of 30 years with similar birthdays)

By then Floyd was a 4 division champion with at least 4 HOFers on his resume and many others that would be considered if anyone on Wards resume is worthy of consideration.

Andre Ward would tell you this topic is absurd.

Best keep any reference to Floyds fight with Ricky as evidence to something valid to a minimum. That was quite possibly the biggest freakin ref hack job that I have ever seen in this sport. Strike that. Not possibly but is.

Changed the fight for sure but not the outcome. I watched 6 or 7 early Ricky fights yesterday because I have a bug. Compliments of Woobase. Blows my mind some don't appreciate his style.

Is that woobase from the old ESPN forums? Did u post on there as well?

[Ron Swanson]

The equal point in Floyd's career is the Ricky Hatton fight(fall of 30 years with similar birthdays)

By then Floyd was a 4 division champion with at least 4 HOFers on his resume and many others that would be considered if anyone on Wards resume is worthy of consideration.

Andre Ward would tell you this topic is absurd.

Best keep any reference to Floyds fight with Ricky as evidence to something valid to a minimum. That was quite possibly the biggest freakin ref hack job that I have ever seen in this sport. Strike that. Not possibly but is.

Changed the fight for sure but not the outcome. I watched 6 or 7 early Ricky fights yesterday because I have a bug. Compliments of Woobase. Blows my mind some don't appreciate his style.

Is that woobase from the old ESPN forums? Did u post on there as well?

Yeah, I go way back

[IamInuit]

The equal point in Floyd's career is the Ricky Hatton fight(fall of 30 years with similar birthdays)

By then Floyd was a 4 division champion with at least 4 HOFers on his resume and many others that would be considered if anyone on Wards resume is worthy of consideration.

Andre Ward would tell you this topic is absurd.

Best keep any reference to Floyds fight with Ricky as evidence to something valid to a minimum. That was quite possibly the biggest freakin ref hack job that I have ever seen in this sport. Strike that. Not possibly but is.

Changed the fight for sure but not the outcome. I watched 6 or 7 early Ricky fights yesterday because I have a bug. Compliments of Woobase. Blows my mind some don't appreciate his style.

The would it have changed the outcome like it was a given is lame. How can anyone be so sure of that since Cortez was a factor in the proceedings?

Thats always cracked me up.

[TitoFan]

The equal point in Floyd's career is the Ricky Hatton fight(fall of 30 years with similar birthdays)

By then Floyd was a 4 division champion with at least 4 HOFers on his resume and many others that would be considered if anyone on Wards resume is worthy of consideration.

Andre Ward would tell you this topic is absurd.

Best keep any reference to Floyds fight with Ricky as evidence to something valid to a minimum. That was quite possibly the biggest freakin ref hack job that I have ever seen in this sport. Strike that. Not possibly but is.

Changed the fight for sure but not the outcome. I watched 6 or 7 early Ricky fights yesterday because I have a bug. Compliments of Woobase. Blows my mind some don't appreciate his style.

The would it have changed the outcome like it was a given is lame. How can anyone be so sure of that since Cortez was a factor in the proceedings?

Thats always cracked me up.

It was probably nice to get caught up in all the Hatton fever leading up to the fight... but seriously.
You're giving Ricky way too much credit.

[erics44]

The equal point in Floyd's career is the Ricky Hatton fight(fall of 30 years with similar birthdays)

By then Floyd was a 4 division champion with at least 4 HOFers on his resume and many others that would be considered if anyone on Wards resume is worthy of consideration.

Andre Ward would tell you this topic is absurd.

Best keep any reference to Floyds fight with Ricky as evidence to something valid to a minimum. That was quite possibly the biggest freakin ref hack job that I have ever seen in this sport. Strike that. Not possibly but is.

Changed the fight for sure but not the outcome. I watched 6 or 7 early Ricky fights yesterday because I have a bug. Compliments of Woobase. Blows my mind some don't appreciate his style.

The would it have changed the outcome like it was a given is lame. How can anyone be so sure of that since Cortez was a factor in the proceedings?

Thats always cracked me up.

It was probably nice to get caught up in all the Hatton fever leading up to the fight... but seriously.
You're giving Ricky way too much credit.

we have to distinguish opinion from fact

the fight would have been different, the ref was officiating in a way that benefitted mayweather

ricky certainly would have a much better chance

[imp]

Even virgil hunter calls ward p4p number 2 and andre is basically his son.

[Ron Swanson]

Even virgil hunter calls ward p4p number 2 and andre is basically his son.

And that's with Floyd clearly diminished he's still number one. He was number 2 p4p 16 years ago. At some point people have to see that accomplishment for what it is.

[imp]

Floyd is fighting out of his weight class..andre is not and I like andre.

Dont listen to me, listen to floyd sr.