If Floyd never fights Manny...

[Rantcatrat]

Listen kids. Sometimes the truth is harsh and sometimes it takes some strong language to try and get one's point across. I feel badly that your feelings are hurt but let's look at the examples you've provided as rebuttal.

Duran - 14 of his 16 loses were when he fought above 150LBS. This shows he was out of his depth. Floyd is not going to lose a bunch of fights against much bigger guys at the end of his career when he's worked so hard to be perfect for the last 18 years. He's also not the style of fighter Duran was. He's slick, he's finesse. He wants to look untouchable. He's not looking to brawl some guy 3 weight divisions higher than him just to look like a tough guy. He doesn't have anything to prove except that he's better than his peers within his weight class.

Armstrong - He has an amazing numerical record-- 101-21-10!!! He fought from 120LBS to 148LBS. Crazy numbers indeed! Whats crazier is that he fought bums all the time. 30 fights into his professional career he was fighting Young Danny 0-0-1 // Kid Moro 8-12-5 // Benny Pelz 31-29-22. Crazy! between 1933 and 1935 he fought Perfecto Lopez 8 times; and with a record of 16-12-7 Perfecto he was clearly wasn't. Was he a worthy and deserving opponent tho? 50 fights into his professional career he fought guys like Leo Lomelli 24-14-8 // Lester Marston 9-10-4. Could you imagine if Floyd was fighting guys with records like that right now?!?! Floyd catches shit for fighting Marcos Maidana for his 47th fight; for his, Armstrong fought Sal Hernandez 12-5-4! 100 fights into his pro career Armstrong fights Lew Jenkins 51-26-5, who had lost 5 of his last 6 fights and Earl Turner 16-5-4. I'm sure Floyd could get to 170-0-0 if he fought a career filled with bums!

Robinson - 13 of his 19 loses came in the last 5 years of his career when he was fighting over 155LBS. He lost to guys with records like: 14-4-2 // 15-4-1. He fought 14 times in 1965 alone! Did these final years do anything for his longevity? Why did he fight so late into his life? He was broke. Floyd is not going out like that - I don't know why you'd want anyone to end their career that way. You're being cruel to suggest that this is something to look up to.

Roy Jones - Moves up to cruiserweight at age 34 and fights a terrible heavyweight who is lucky to have a title: John Ruiz. This speaks more to the quality of the heavyweight division than it does to Jone's bravery or desire to push himself. To prove this, he chooses to not defend the heavyweight title and then proceeds to lose 3 fights back at light heavy withing a one year span.

Toney - I love James Toney! He is a fat fuck who was too lazy to train. He did like to challenge himself at the buffet but did not like to push himself in the gym--so yeah, he went up to heavyweight.

What you guys fail to understand is that Floyd has held the top spot in boxing for most of his career. He's been undisputed top 3 p4p for about a decade. He's rich. He makes more money than any other athlete in the world, and he does it without sponsorship deals. He calls himself TBE because that's his brand. He's marketing himself--and he's so good at it that people continue to want to pay $75 to watch his fights. The proof is that he still makes more money than anyone else in sports. You get all mad because he isn't fighting guys that are younger, harder hitting, bigger and heavier than him--but of course he isn't. He needs to keep winning to keep his brand. Why would he fight GGG? Does Golovkin bring big money to the table? No. Does he have fans outside of hardcore boxing fans that will ensure that Floyd will make EVEN MORE money? More money than he did fighting a Robert Guerrerro or Marcos Maidana? No!!! These are really basic business and marketing concepts and that's why I'm telling you you're stupid and asking you if you think before you post. I know you all want boxing to be brainless and about which sad bastard can beat the hell out the other more sad bastard until they both have brain damage... but that's not what boxing really is. It's a big money business that offers fighters the opportunity to make some money in exchange for their health. Few people have the talent, skill, discipline and intelligence to enter the sport and not just survive but thrive and dominate the way Floyd has and then leave with their health and brains and money. Floyd is about to do that. He is a boxing success story and you guys hate him for it. Over time, when people look back and see that Floyd retired 50-0-0, having been the highest earning athlete 5 years in a row AND that he finished his career beating guys with records like 42-0-1 // 37-2-0 // 35-3-0, some of them future hall of famers, then he'll be looked at as one of the best ever -- in the ring and in business.

@ruthless rocco - Are you advocating that Floyd, or any fighter for that matter, shouldn't take challenges to preserve their brand? This is one of the more remarkable posts I've seen from you. You genuinely enjoy the business of boxing more than the sport of boxing. You cheer Floyd's savvy business decisions to the detriment of making challenging fights.

Take your train of thought of apply it to all fighters. No one would fight anyone they didn't have to fight. I'm just curious - did you cheer when Peter Quillin vacated his title instead of fighting Korobov?

[ruthless rocco]

@ruthless rocco - Are you advocating that Floyd, or any fighter for that matter, shouldn't take challenges to preserve their brand? This is one of the more remarkable posts I've seen from you. You genuinely enjoy the business of boxing more than the sport of boxing. You cheer Floyd's savvy business decisions to the detriment of making challenging fights.

Take your train of thought of apply it to all fighters. No one would fight anyone they didn't have to fight. I'm just curious - did you cheer when Peter Quillin vacated his title instead of fighting Korobov?

You're missing the point. Floyd isn't most boxers. He's unique. He's the highest level of the sport, both the athleticism and the business ends. There is no other fighter that can operate the way he does. It's not about applying this train of thought to all other fighters. I'm trying to explain why Floyd won't and doesn't need to fight GGG. He is better and smarter than other fighters. Why is that such a problem for you?

Did you not read my post? How are Floyd's fights against guys like Maidana or Guerrero any less challenging than Armstrong or Robinson's fights against larger and heavier guys with pathetic and close to losing records? Why is it that Floyd gets no credit for continuing to fight top contenders at his own weight division? Would you respect Floyd if he moved up to middleweight and fought guys with 12-5-4 or 9-10-4 records like Robinson and Armstrong did or like Jones did with Ruiz? Of course you wouldn't.

You guys are bitching about nothing like a bunch of cry babies.

This seems really really easy to understand. I'm sorry I can't explain it to you.

[mikeeod]

@ruthless rocco - Are you advocating that Floyd, or any fighter for that matter, shouldn't take challenges to preserve their brand? This is one of the more remarkable posts I've seen from you. You genuinely enjoy the business of boxing more than the sport of boxing. You cheer Floyd's savvy business decisions to the detriment of making challenging fights.

Take your train of thought of apply it to all fighters. No one would fight anyone they didn't have to fight. I'm just curious - did you cheer when Peter Quillin vacated his title instead of fighting Korobov?

You're missing the point. Floyd isn't most boxers. He's unique. He's the highest level of the sport, both the athleticism and the business ends. There is no other fighter that can operate the way he does. It's not about applying this train of thought to all other fighters. I'm trying to explain why Floyd won't and doesn't need to fight GGG. He is better and smarter than other fighters. Why is that such a problem for you?

Did you not read my post? How are Floyd's fights against guys like Maidana or Guerrero any less challenging than Armstrong or Robinson's fights against larger and heavier guys with pathetic and close to losing records? Why is it that Floyd gets no credit for continuing to fight top contenders at his own weight division? Would you respect Floyd if he moved up to middleweight and fought guys with 12-5-4 or 9-10-4 records like Robinson and Armstrong did or like Jones did with Ruiz? Of course you wouldn't.

You guys are bitching about nothing like a bunch of cry babies.

This seems really really easy to understand. I'm sorry I can't explain it to you.

Ur kidding, right? R u trolling tight now? Ur not that dumb, r u? The guy who is on here throwing a tantrum because people said they would like to see Floyd challenge himself and fight GGG is saying other people have hurt feelings? Look kid, we gave Floyd his due and laid out examples of other greats who challenged themselves. If u constantly push the envelope and fight the best u r going to lose. Happens to everyone. No one said Floyd was a bum or sucking anyone, just said that it was an intriguing fight to see. As Floyd's #1 fan u come out of left field like a scorned woman and start whining and crying all hysterical. Like Biggie said: "Get a grip..."

What u r saying, is that once a fighter reaches the P4P level, they should maintain their record and avoid historical fights that r dangerous. I try not insult people on here, but that is probably the dumbest thought I've read and u seem like a moron. Or a really good troll. If u r a troll, job well done.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Floyd might very well be ducking Manny, it's a boxing travesty this fight is not being made. (It should've happened years ago) Whatever faults Floyd might have, he's not completely out of his mind by even thinking for a micro second about GGG. Golovkin is a monster who should be avoided by all even in his own division!!! Cotto and Canelo must be on GGG's radar, i wonder if GGG is on theirs? Floyd isn't even thinking about it. IMO it's Manny or bust for Floyd. It's insane this fight is not happening.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd might very well be ducking Manny, it's a boxing travesty this fight is not being made. (It should've happened years ago) Whatever faults Floyd might have, he's not completely out of his mind by even thinking for a micro second about GGG. Golovkin is a monster who should be avoided by all even in his own division!!! Cotto and Canelo must be on GGG's radar, i wonder if GGG is on theirs? Floyd isn't even thinking about it. IMO it's Manny or bust for Floyd. It's insane this fight is not happening.

Yeah if Floyd goes up to MW, it'll be against Cotto to try to become the MW champ. There's no way he's going to fight GGG, it's a suicide mission.

[ruthless rocco]

Ur kidding, right? R u trolling tight now? Ur not that dumb, r u? The guy who is on here throwing a tantrum because people said they would like to see Floyd challenge himself and fight GGG is saying other people have hurt feelings? Look kid, we gave Floyd his due and laid out examples of other greats who challenged themselves. If u constantly push the envelope and fight the best u r going to lose. Happens to everyone. No one said Floyd was a bum or sucking anyone, just said that it was an intriguing fight to see. As Floyd's #1 fan u come out of left field like a scorned woman and start whining and crying all hysterical. Like Biggie said: "Get a grip..."

What u r saying, is that once a fighter reaches the P4P level, they should maintain their record and avoid historical fights that r dangerous. I try not insult people on here, but that is probably the dumbest thought I've read and u seem like a moron. Or a really good troll. If u r a troll, job well done.

I'm not sure you know how to read. I never said any of the things you claim. Try looking over my post and sounding out the words. If you're having trouble understanding you could ask your mom or maybe your next door neighbour.

As for Biggie, that marble mouthed chunk of meatloaf sucked at life. Now he's dead.

[Mr140]

At his age doesn't really matter anymore why move up when he still has guys he can make more money on as for Pac after he got killed by Jmm that fight doesn't make have chills anymore. Mayweather has fought for along time and i think he will actually be able to speak clearly and have money still.

[ruthless rocco]

At his age doesn't really matter anymore why move up when he still has guys he can make more money on as for Pac after he got killed by Jmm that fight doesn't make have chills anymore. Mayweather has fought for along time and i think he will actually be able to speak clearly and have money still.

Thank you! Finally someone with a brain enters the discussion.

[fan johnny]

At his age doesn't really matter anymore why move up when he still has guys he can make more money on as for Pac after he got killed by Jmm that fight doesn't make have chills anymore. Mayweather has fought for along time and i think he will actually be able to speak clearly and have money still.

Thank you! Finally someone with a brain enters the discussion.

Half of what you write about Armstrong is parroting what other's have written on this forum which takes a very small brain to do. Mayweather would win plenty of 170 fights no doubt but there is no way he could go through that many fights and be in the kind of shape he exhibits today and remain undefeated on paper. He's already starting to sound more like pops even without the head shots. Try to imagine what stepping into to the ring with 20 or so amature swarmers with Chino's power would do. Let me help you out. He would avoid most of the punishment of a single fight but the accumulated blows is what does the damage. He doesn't get the 6 months rest between fights to prepare. as so on...

[Rantcatrat]

@ruthless rocco - Are you advocating that Floyd, or any fighter for that matter, shouldn't take challenges to preserve their brand? This is one of the more remarkable posts I've seen from you. You genuinely enjoy the business of boxing more than the sport of boxing. You cheer Floyd's savvy business decisions to the detriment of making challenging fights.

Take your train of thought of apply it to all fighters. No one would fight anyone they didn't have to fight. I'm just curious - did you cheer when Peter Quillin vacated his title instead of fighting Korobov?

You're missing the point. Floyd isn't most boxers. He's unique. He's the highest level of the sport, both the athleticism and the business ends. There is no other fighter that can operate the way he does. It's not about applying this train of thought to all other fighters. I'm trying to explain why Floyd won't and doesn't need to fight GGG. He is better and smarter than other fighters. Why is that such a problem for you?

There are two arguments here. One argument is comparing Armstrong etc. to Mayweather. You and I have done that before. No need to do it again. We can agree to disagree.

The other argument is about Floyd Mayweather's opponents.

Please answer the questions below:

"Are you advocating that Floyd shouldn't take challenging fights? If so, why?" - these were already asked but not answered.

I have two more questions for you too.

Who would be the toughest fights for Floyd right now?

Who do you want to see Floyd face?

[ruthless rocco]

There are two arguments here. One argument is comparing Armstrong etc. to Mayweather. You and I have done that before. No need to do it again. We can agree to disagree.

The other argument is about Floyd Mayweather's opponents.

Please answer the questions below:

"Are you advocating that Floyd shouldn't take challenging fights? If so, why?" - these were already asked but not answered.

I have two more questions for you too.

Who would be the toughest fights for Floyd right now?

Who do you want to see Floyd face?

I am not advocating that Floyd not take challenging fights. I never said anything resembling that. --But many of you seem to think that the only tough fights for Floyd would be moving up in weight and taking on opponents that are naturally much bigger and heavier than him. Guys that are going to finish their careers at light heavy or cruiser weight. This is ridiculous! I'm trying to explain that Floyd should only be expected to fight opponents within his natural weight range. He's 38 years old, rich, healthy and in control of his career. Why would he throw it all away trying to get respect from douche bags that aren't ever going to respect him and only want to see him lose?!

The toughest fights for Floyd within his natural weight range - Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara

I'd love to Floyd fight Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia, Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara, Chris Algieri, Saul Alvarez


The problem here is that the view from the top is a lot different from the view from the bottom or more importantly in this case the view from the arm chair. Floyd Mayweather is at the top of the sport of boxing, in every sense. He knows how the sport works. He's seen all the shit on his way up and now that he's on top he knows he's not going back down to the bottom. He's seen his own family flushed their lives down the toilet. Now he's in complete control of his career. No other boxer has had this before. He bought out his contract and never looked back. He's a gifted genius, a brilliant business man who has worked very hard to get to the pinnacle of a sport. He's in fact reached beyond the top. He's created a new level in boxing. You all hate him for it. You say it's not fair. It's not deserved. In a sport where you can die in the ring, a sport that is rife with corruption, where your career, health and life are in other people's hands... What part of boxing is fair? Floyd has gone beyond that. He's the ultimate success story in a sport where no one leaves healthy, happy and wealthy. This make him the best ever and you hate him for it. You'd rather see him KO'd with brain damage and broke then leave a winner.

[Rantcatrat]

There are two arguments here. One argument is comparing Armstrong etc. to Mayweather. You and I have done that before. No need to do it again. We can agree to disagree.

The other argument is about Floyd Mayweather's opponents.

Please answer the questions below:

"Are you advocating that Floyd shouldn't take challenging fights? If so, why?" - these were already asked but not answered.

I have two more questions for you too.

Who would be the toughest fights for Floyd right now?

Who do you want to see Floyd face?

I am not advocating that Floyd not take challenging fights. I never said anything resembling that. --But many of you seem to think that the only tough fights for Floyd would be moving up in weight and taking on opponents that are naturally much bigger and heavier than him. Guys that are going to finish their careers at light heavy or cruiser weight. This is ridiculous! I'm trying to explain that Floyd should only be expected to fight opponents within his natural weight range. He's 38 years old, rich, healthy and in control of his career. Why would he throw it all away trying to get respect from douche bags that aren't ever going to respect him and only want to see him lose?!

The toughest fights for Floyd within his natural weight range - Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara

I'd love to Floyd fight Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia, Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara, Chris Algieri, Saul Alvarez

The problem here is that the view from the top is a lot different from the view from the bottom or more importantly in this case the view from the arm chair. Floyd Mayweather is at the top of the sport of boxing, in every sense. He knows how the sport works. He's seen all the shit on his way up and now that he's on top he knows he's not going back down to the bottom. He's seen his own family flushed their lives down the toilet. Now he's in complete control of his career. No other boxer has had this before. He bought out his contract and never looked back. He's a gifted genius, a brilliant business man who has worked very hard to get to the pinnacle of a sport. He's in fact reached beyond the top. He's created a new level in boxing. You all hate him for it. You say it's not fair. It's not deserved. In a sport where you can die in the ring, a sport that is rife with corruption, where your career, health and life are in other people's hands... What part of boxing is fair? Floyd has gone beyond that. He's the ultimate success story in a sport where no one leaves healthy, happy and wealthy. This make him the best ever and you hate him for it. You'd rather see him KO'd with brain damage and broke then leave a winner.

Why did you caveat the question? I'll ask it again. Who are Floyd's toughest fights within a weight class (from 160-140)?

To your suggested opponents, are you really excited about those fights? Why? He's already faced Miguel Cotto. Why do we want to see that again? Same goes for Canelo. Shawn Porter is coming off a loss against Kell Brook. I'm not sure why Floyd Mayweather would have any problem with him. Danny Garcia is fighting at the weight class below him and didn't look good in his last real fight against Herrera. Until he has a fight or two at 147 against solid opposition, why would that be a tough fight for Floyd? It would the exceptional case for Floyd to be challenged by a guy coming up in weight. Lara is coming off a loss against Canelo, whom Floyd beat. It's not a horrible idea but not a great one. Why is that a good fight to you?

For the sake of argument, although you didn't mention them, Demetrius Andrade (at 154) and Keith Thurman (at 147) aren't bad fights for Floyd at his weight class. Thurman hasn't done much at 147 yet but the pickings are slim for Floyd at that weight class. Floyd has cleaned it out for the most part.

Other than the two I mentioned, none of the fights you suggested seem like fights where Floyd would be challenged and certainly none of them would be as challenging as a fight with GGG. Moreover, what can Floyd show in those fights that he hasn't already shown before? What's new about them? Why are they captivating?

[ruthless rocco]

Why did you caveat the question? I'll ask it again. Who are Floyd's toughest fights within a weight class (from 160-140)?

To your suggested opponents, are you really excited about those fights? Why? He's already faced Miguel Cotto. Why do we want to see that again? Same goes for Canelo. Shawn Porter is coming off a loss against Kell Brook. I'm not sure why Floyd Mayweather would have any problem with him. Danny Garcia is fighting at the weight class below him and didn't look good in his last real fight against Herrera. Until he has a fight or two at 147 against solid opposition, why would that be a tough fight for Floyd? It would the exceptional case for Floyd to be challenged by a guy coming up in weight. Lara is coming off a loss against Canelo, whom Floyd beat. It's not a horrible idea but not a great one. Why is that a good fight to you?

For the sake of argument, although you didn't mention them, Demetrius Andrade (at 154) and Keith Thurman (at 147) aren't bad fights for Floyd at his weight class. Thurman hasn't done much at 147 yet but the pickings are slim for Floyd at that weight class. Floyd has cleaned it out for the most part.

Other than the two I mentioned, none of the fights you suggested seem like fights where Floyd would be challenged and certainly none of them would be as challenging as a fight with GGG. Moreover, what can Floyd show in those fights that he hasn't already shown before? What's new about them? Why are they captivating?

Why did I caveat the question? Because Floyd is only going to fight within his weight class you moron! Why don't you donkeys understand that!! If weight didn't matter to Floyd, he'd fight Klitchko for $200 million. I guarantee they'd make so much money off that fight and it would be the BIGGEST CHALLENGE for him. Or wait maybe a bigger challenge would be BOTH Klitchkos at the same time.

Part of being really good at the lower weights is knowing where your limits are. As talented as Floyd is, he is putting himself at too much of a disadvantage at the age of 38 to fight someone so much bigger and heavier. 160 is not within his weight class. He's not going to fight a guy that is going to finish his career at light heavyweight or cruiserweight. It's a health risk. Why can't you understand that this is more than just a big dick contest for someone at Floyd's level?

Floyd doesn't need to show things that he hasn't shown before. He doesn't need to prove anything to you. Does that hurt your feelings...? The fact that Floyd could give a crap about what you think. HAHA...

What is GGG proving by fighting Rubio? What new things did he show us against Geale? How compelling was his fight against unranked Ishida? If fighters need to be challenging himself all the time then GGG does too. Since you argue that it's an issue that Garcia would be moving up in weight, then why would it be acceptable for GGG to fight Floyd who would be moving up? DO you even think before you post?

Armstrong fought the same guy 8 times in 2 years but you think Floyd shouldn't rematch Cotto? Cotto gave him one of his toughest fights! Give me a break!