If Floyd never fights Manny...

[ruthless rocco]

@ruthless rocco - Are you advocating that Floyd, or any fighter for that matter, shouldn't take challenges to preserve their brand? This is one of the more remarkable posts I've seen from you. You genuinely enjoy the business of boxing more than the sport of boxing. You cheer Floyd's savvy business decisions to the detriment of making challenging fights.

Take your train of thought of apply it to all fighters. No one would fight anyone they didn't have to fight. I'm just curious - did you cheer when Peter Quillin vacated his title instead of fighting Korobov?

You're missing the point. Floyd isn't most boxers. He's unique. He's the highest level of the sport, both the athleticism and the business ends. There is no other fighter that can operate the way he does. It's not about applying this train of thought to all other fighters. I'm trying to explain why Floyd won't and doesn't need to fight GGG. He is better and smarter than other fighters. Why is that such a problem for you?

Did you not read my post? How are Floyd's fights against guys like Maidana or Guerrero any less challenging than Armstrong or Robinson's fights against larger and heavier guys with pathetic and close to losing records? Why is it that Floyd gets no credit for continuing to fight top contenders at his own weight division? Would you respect Floyd if he moved up to middleweight and fought guys with 12-5-4 or 9-10-4 records like Robinson and Armstrong did or like Jones did with Ruiz? Of course you wouldn't.

You guys are bitching about nothing like a bunch of cry babies.

This seems really really easy to understand. I'm sorry I can't explain it to you.

[mikeeod]

@ruthless rocco - Are you advocating that Floyd, or any fighter for that matter, shouldn't take challenges to preserve their brand? This is one of the more remarkable posts I've seen from you. You genuinely enjoy the business of boxing more than the sport of boxing. You cheer Floyd's savvy business decisions to the detriment of making challenging fights.

Take your train of thought of apply it to all fighters. No one would fight anyone they didn't have to fight. I'm just curious - did you cheer when Peter Quillin vacated his title instead of fighting Korobov?

You're missing the point. Floyd isn't most boxers. He's unique. He's the highest level of the sport, both the athleticism and the business ends. There is no other fighter that can operate the way he does. It's not about applying this train of thought to all other fighters. I'm trying to explain why Floyd won't and doesn't need to fight GGG. He is better and smarter than other fighters. Why is that such a problem for you?

Did you not read my post? How are Floyd's fights against guys like Maidana or Guerrero any less challenging than Armstrong or Robinson's fights against larger and heavier guys with pathetic and close to losing records? Why is it that Floyd gets no credit for continuing to fight top contenders at his own weight division? Would you respect Floyd if he moved up to middleweight and fought guys with 12-5-4 or 9-10-4 records like Robinson and Armstrong did or like Jones did with Ruiz? Of course you wouldn't.

You guys are bitching about nothing like a bunch of cry babies.

This seems really really easy to understand. I'm sorry I can't explain it to you.

Ur kidding, right? R u trolling tight now? Ur not that dumb, r u? The guy who is on here throwing a tantrum because people said they would like to see Floyd challenge himself and fight GGG is saying other people have hurt feelings? Look kid, we gave Floyd his due and laid out examples of other greats who challenged themselves. If u constantly push the envelope and fight the best u r going to lose. Happens to everyone. No one said Floyd was a bum or sucking anyone, just said that it was an intriguing fight to see. As Floyd's #1 fan u come out of left field like a scorned woman and start whining and crying all hysterical. Like Biggie said: "Get a grip..."

What u r saying, is that once a fighter reaches the P4P level, they should maintain their record and avoid historical fights that r dangerous. I try not insult people on here, but that is probably the dumbest thought I've read and u seem like a moron. Or a really good troll. If u r a troll, job well done.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Floyd might very well be ducking Manny, it's a boxing travesty this fight is not being made. (It should've happened years ago) Whatever faults Floyd might have, he's not completely out of his mind by even thinking for a micro second about GGG. Golovkin is a monster who should be avoided by all even in his own division!!! Cotto and Canelo must be on GGG's radar, i wonder if GGG is on theirs? Floyd isn't even thinking about it. IMO it's Manny or bust for Floyd. It's insane this fight is not happening.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd might very well be ducking Manny, it's a boxing travesty this fight is not being made. (It should've happened years ago) Whatever faults Floyd might have, he's not completely out of his mind by even thinking for a micro second about GGG. Golovkin is a monster who should be avoided by all even in his own division!!! Cotto and Canelo must be on GGG's radar, i wonder if GGG is on theirs? Floyd isn't even thinking about it. IMO it's Manny or bust for Floyd. It's insane this fight is not happening.

Yeah if Floyd goes up to MW, it'll be against Cotto to try to become the MW champ. There's no way he's going to fight GGG, it's a suicide mission.

[ruthless rocco]

Ur kidding, right? R u trolling tight now? Ur not that dumb, r u? The guy who is on here throwing a tantrum because people said they would like to see Floyd challenge himself and fight GGG is saying other people have hurt feelings? Look kid, we gave Floyd his due and laid out examples of other greats who challenged themselves. If u constantly push the envelope and fight the best u r going to lose. Happens to everyone. No one said Floyd was a bum or sucking anyone, just said that it was an intriguing fight to see. As Floyd's #1 fan u come out of left field like a scorned woman and start whining and crying all hysterical. Like Biggie said: "Get a grip..."

What u r saying, is that once a fighter reaches the P4P level, they should maintain their record and avoid historical fights that r dangerous. I try not insult people on here, but that is probably the dumbest thought I've read and u seem like a moron. Or a really good troll. If u r a troll, job well done.

I'm not sure you know how to read. I never said any of the things you claim. Try looking over my post and sounding out the words. If you're having trouble understanding you could ask your mom or maybe your next door neighbour.

As for Biggie, that marble mouthed chunk of meatloaf sucked at life. Now he's dead.

[Mr140]

At his age doesn't really matter anymore why move up when he still has guys he can make more money on as for Pac after he got killed by Jmm that fight doesn't make have chills anymore. Mayweather has fought for along time and i think he will actually be able to speak clearly and have money still.

[ruthless rocco]

At his age doesn't really matter anymore why move up when he still has guys he can make more money on as for Pac after he got killed by Jmm that fight doesn't make have chills anymore. Mayweather has fought for along time and i think he will actually be able to speak clearly and have money still.

Thank you! Finally someone with a brain enters the discussion.

[fan johnny]

At his age doesn't really matter anymore why move up when he still has guys he can make more money on as for Pac after he got killed by Jmm that fight doesn't make have chills anymore. Mayweather has fought for along time and i think he will actually be able to speak clearly and have money still.

Thank you! Finally someone with a brain enters the discussion.

Half of what you write about Armstrong is parroting what other's have written on this forum which takes a very small brain to do. Mayweather would win plenty of 170 fights no doubt but there is no way he could go through that many fights and be in the kind of shape he exhibits today and remain undefeated on paper. He's already starting to sound more like pops even without the head shots. Try to imagine what stepping into to the ring with 20 or so amature swarmers with Chino's power would do. Let me help you out. He would avoid most of the punishment of a single fight but the accumulated blows is what does the damage. He doesn't get the 6 months rest between fights to prepare. as so on...

[ruthless rocco]

At his age doesn't really matter anymore why move up when he still has guys he can make more money on as for Pac after he got killed by Jmm that fight doesn't make have chills anymore. Mayweather has fought for along time and i think he will actually be able to speak clearly and have money still.

Thank you! Finally someone with a brain enters the discussion.

Half of what you write about Armstrong is parroting what other's have written on this forum which takes a very small brain to do. Mayweather would win plenty of 170 fights no doubt but there is no way he could go through that many fights and be in the kind of shape he exhibits today and remain undefeated on paper. He's already starting to sound more like pops even without the head shots. Try to imagine what stepping into to the ring with 20 or so amature swarmers with Chino's power would do. Let me help you out. He would avoid most of the punishment of a single fight but the accumulated blows is what does the damage. He doesn't get the 6 months rest between fights to prepare. as so on...

You, like the other dummies that have responded so far have missed my point. Armstrong fought bums through out his entire career. If Floyd were fighting 160LB guys with terrible records like Armstrong did would you be praising him? No! You'd say he was crap cherry picking fighters with 12-5-4 records. Floyd doesn't have to fight 14 times a year because he's talented, skilled, determined & smart enough to market his career so that he's not only the best fighter at his weight class but also the highest paid athlete in the world.

You guys are all the same. You read my post and try to put words in my mouth. Let me help you out: You're a moron.

[Rantcatrat]

@ruthless rocco - Are you advocating that Floyd, or any fighter for that matter, shouldn't take challenges to preserve their brand? This is one of the more remarkable posts I've seen from you. You genuinely enjoy the business of boxing more than the sport of boxing. You cheer Floyd's savvy business decisions to the detriment of making challenging fights.

Take your train of thought of apply it to all fighters. No one would fight anyone they didn't have to fight. I'm just curious - did you cheer when Peter Quillin vacated his title instead of fighting Korobov?

You're missing the point. Floyd isn't most boxers. He's unique. He's the highest level of the sport, both the athleticism and the business ends. There is no other fighter that can operate the way he does. It's not about applying this train of thought to all other fighters. I'm trying to explain why Floyd won't and doesn't need to fight GGG. He is better and smarter than other fighters. Why is that such a problem for you?

There are two arguments here. One argument is comparing Armstrong etc. to Mayweather. You and I have done that before. No need to do it again. We can agree to disagree.

The other argument is about Floyd Mayweather's opponents.

Please answer the questions below:

"Are you advocating that Floyd shouldn't take challenging fights? If so, why?" - these were already asked but not answered.

I have two more questions for you too.

Who would be the toughest fights for Floyd right now?

Who do you want to see Floyd face?

[ruthless rocco]

There are two arguments here. One argument is comparing Armstrong etc. to Mayweather. You and I have done that before. No need to do it again. We can agree to disagree.

The other argument is about Floyd Mayweather's opponents.

Please answer the questions below:

"Are you advocating that Floyd shouldn't take challenging fights? If so, why?" - these were already asked but not answered.

I have two more questions for you too.

Who would be the toughest fights for Floyd right now?

Who do you want to see Floyd face?

I am not advocating that Floyd not take challenging fights. I never said anything resembling that. --But many of you seem to think that the only tough fights for Floyd would be moving up in weight and taking on opponents that are naturally much bigger and heavier than him. Guys that are going to finish their careers at light heavy or cruiser weight. This is ridiculous! I'm trying to explain that Floyd should only be expected to fight opponents within his natural weight range. He's 38 years old, rich, healthy and in control of his career. Why would he throw it all away trying to get respect from douche bags that aren't ever going to respect him and only want to see him lose?!

The toughest fights for Floyd within his natural weight range - Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara

I'd love to Floyd fight Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia, Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara, Chris Algieri, Saul Alvarez


The problem here is that the view from the top is a lot different from the view from the bottom or more importantly in this case the view from the arm chair. Floyd Mayweather is at the top of the sport of boxing, in every sense. He knows how the sport works. He's seen all the shit on his way up and now that he's on top he knows he's not going back down to the bottom. He's seen his own family flushed their lives down the toilet. Now he's in complete control of his career. No other boxer has had this before. He bought out his contract and never looked back. He's a gifted genius, a brilliant business man who has worked very hard to get to the pinnacle of a sport. He's in fact reached beyond the top. He's created a new level in boxing. You all hate him for it. You say it's not fair. It's not deserved. In a sport where you can die in the ring, a sport that is rife with corruption, where your career, health and life are in other people's hands... What part of boxing is fair? Floyd has gone beyond that. He's the ultimate success story in a sport where no one leaves healthy, happy and wealthy. This make him the best ever and you hate him for it. You'd rather see him KO'd with brain damage and broke then leave a winner.

[Rantcatrat]

There are two arguments here. One argument is comparing Armstrong etc. to Mayweather. You and I have done that before. No need to do it again. We can agree to disagree.

The other argument is about Floyd Mayweather's opponents.

Please answer the questions below:

"Are you advocating that Floyd shouldn't take challenging fights? If so, why?" - these were already asked but not answered.

I have two more questions for you too.

Who would be the toughest fights for Floyd right now?

Who do you want to see Floyd face?

I am not advocating that Floyd not take challenging fights. I never said anything resembling that. --But many of you seem to think that the only tough fights for Floyd would be moving up in weight and taking on opponents that are naturally much bigger and heavier than him. Guys that are going to finish their careers at light heavy or cruiser weight. This is ridiculous! I'm trying to explain that Floyd should only be expected to fight opponents within his natural weight range. He's 38 years old, rich, healthy and in control of his career. Why would he throw it all away trying to get respect from douche bags that aren't ever going to respect him and only want to see him lose?!

The toughest fights for Floyd within his natural weight range - Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara

I'd love to Floyd fight Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia, Miguel Cotto, Erislandy Lara, Chris Algieri, Saul Alvarez

The problem here is that the view from the top is a lot different from the view from the bottom or more importantly in this case the view from the arm chair. Floyd Mayweather is at the top of the sport of boxing, in every sense. He knows how the sport works. He's seen all the shit on his way up and now that he's on top he knows he's not going back down to the bottom. He's seen his own family flushed their lives down the toilet. Now he's in complete control of his career. No other boxer has had this before. He bought out his contract and never looked back. He's a gifted genius, a brilliant business man who has worked very hard to get to the pinnacle of a sport. He's in fact reached beyond the top. He's created a new level in boxing. You all hate him for it. You say it's not fair. It's not deserved. In a sport where you can die in the ring, a sport that is rife with corruption, where your career, health and life are in other people's hands... What part of boxing is fair? Floyd has gone beyond that. He's the ultimate success story in a sport where no one leaves healthy, happy and wealthy. This make him the best ever and you hate him for it. You'd rather see him KO'd with brain damage and broke then leave a winner.

Why did you caveat the question? I'll ask it again. Who are Floyd's toughest fights within a weight class (from 160-140)?

To your suggested opponents, are you really excited about those fights? Why? He's already faced Miguel Cotto. Why do we want to see that again? Same goes for Canelo. Shawn Porter is coming off a loss against Kell Brook. I'm not sure why Floyd Mayweather would have any problem with him. Danny Garcia is fighting at the weight class below him and didn't look good in his last real fight against Herrera. Until he has a fight or two at 147 against solid opposition, why would that be a tough fight for Floyd? It would the exceptional case for Floyd to be challenged by a guy coming up in weight. Lara is coming off a loss against Canelo, whom Floyd beat. It's not a horrible idea but not a great one. Why is that a good fight to you?

For the sake of argument, although you didn't mention them, Demetrius Andrade (at 154) and Keith Thurman (at 147) aren't bad fights for Floyd at his weight class. Thurman hasn't done much at 147 yet but the pickings are slim for Floyd at that weight class. Floyd has cleaned it out for the most part.

Other than the two I mentioned, none of the fights you suggested seem like fights where Floyd would be challenged and certainly none of them would be as challenging as a fight with GGG. Moreover, what can Floyd show in those fights that he hasn't already shown before? What's new about them? Why are they captivating?

[ruthless rocco]

Why did you caveat the question? I'll ask it again. Who are Floyd's toughest fights within a weight class (from 160-140)?

To your suggested opponents, are you really excited about those fights? Why? He's already faced Miguel Cotto. Why do we want to see that again? Same goes for Canelo. Shawn Porter is coming off a loss against Kell Brook. I'm not sure why Floyd Mayweather would have any problem with him. Danny Garcia is fighting at the weight class below him and didn't look good in his last real fight against Herrera. Until he has a fight or two at 147 against solid opposition, why would that be a tough fight for Floyd? It would the exceptional case for Floyd to be challenged by a guy coming up in weight. Lara is coming off a loss against Canelo, whom Floyd beat. It's not a horrible idea but not a great one. Why is that a good fight to you?

For the sake of argument, although you didn't mention them, Demetrius Andrade (at 154) and Keith Thurman (at 147) aren't bad fights for Floyd at his weight class. Thurman hasn't done much at 147 yet but the pickings are slim for Floyd at that weight class. Floyd has cleaned it out for the most part.

Other than the two I mentioned, none of the fights you suggested seem like fights where Floyd would be challenged and certainly none of them would be as challenging as a fight with GGG. Moreover, what can Floyd show in those fights that he hasn't already shown before? What's new about them? Why are they captivating?

Why did I caveat the question? Because Floyd is only going to fight within his weight class you moron! Why don't you donkeys understand that!! If weight didn't matter to Floyd, he'd fight Klitchko for $200 million. I guarantee they'd make so much money off that fight and it would be the BIGGEST CHALLENGE for him. Or wait maybe a bigger challenge would be BOTH Klitchkos at the same time.

Part of being really good at the lower weights is knowing where your limits are. As talented as Floyd is, he is putting himself at too much of a disadvantage at the age of 38 to fight someone so much bigger and heavier. 160 is not within his weight class. He's not going to fight a guy that is going to finish his career at light heavyweight or cruiserweight. It's a health risk. Why can't you understand that this is more than just a big dick contest for someone at Floyd's level?

Floyd doesn't need to show things that he hasn't shown before. He doesn't need to prove anything to you. Does that hurt your feelings...? The fact that Floyd could give a crap about what you think. HAHA...

What is GGG proving by fighting Rubio? What new things did he show us against Geale? How compelling was his fight against unranked Ishida? If fighters need to be challenging himself all the time then GGG does too. Since you argue that it's an issue that Garcia would be moving up in weight, then why would it be acceptable for GGG to fight Floyd who would be moving up? DO you even think before you post?

Armstrong fought the same guy 8 times in 2 years but you think Floyd shouldn't rematch Cotto? Cotto gave him one of his toughest fights! Give me a break!