True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

[OMGWTF]

So as a beginner you are taught to pivot the foot to rotate the hips.

Well most pros dont use that from what I can see, most pros do it the other way they push off their foot to get the hips to rotate.

I know someones going to say they are the exact same thing but they are not.

Also when you push off does it matter what direction you push, should you push inthe direction of the punch or in the direction (as best you can) of the hips rotation or do you push up, or does it not matter as long as it gets the hips moving?



You see Tyson doing it this way alot every time he punches he pushes first off the ground theres rarely any pivoting of the foot and if there is it comes AFTER the push off. (NOT FIRST thats the difference)

if the foot and knee dont turn, the hip cant, plus you dont push of, you push down onto the floor its that, that generates force.

Push down, it doesn't have to be in any direction just down you say? Thankyou alot!!

"If the knee doesn't turn the hip cant"

If you try it you will find theres some room for movement before the foot HAS to twist and no you dont have to torque the knee, if you look at alot of pro fighters for many punches their hips move alot but their feet pivot very little often not at all. (Including julian jackson, who has mastered torque)

Lots of martial arts styles move the hips without the foot etc

Infact some people believe not moving the feet is better since theirs no give and you transfer force from the ground to the hip without any slipping (wasting of power at the foot) So it goes straight from the ground to the fist without any "wheel spin" at the foot.

[Scrap]

Hip cannot move on its own as i mentioned, in another thread impossible only 6 degrees lateral up or side. Otherwise you would damage the coxxys, thats the reason, so there something else moving below it.

[BCBUD]

Hip cannot move on its own as i mentioned, in another thread impossible only 6 degrees lateral up or side. Otherwise you would damage the coxxys, thats the reason, so there something else moving below it.

You're saying that his bunk that if you don't push into the floor and turn or pivot the foot there won't be any power.

[OMGWTF]

Hip cannot move on its own as i mentioned, in another thread impossible only 6 degrees lateral up or side. Otherwise you would damage the coxxys, thats the reason, so there something else moving below it.

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What do u you see here?

I see Tyson not moving his feet at all, and still torquing his hips a fair bit and not damaging anything other than his opponents head.

[BCBUD]

Hip cannot move on its own as i mentioned, in another thread impossible only 6 degrees lateral up or side. Otherwise you would damage the coxxys, thats the reason, so there something else moving below it.

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What do u you see here?

I see Tyson not moving his feet at all, and still torquing his hips a fair bit and nodamaging anything other than his opponents head.

Well you can do as you like while remembering that if that punch lacks power people are gonna want to fight you. Its all or nothing!

[OMGWTF]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/a...s/159589_o.gif


Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

[Scrap]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

Its a mixture of the two. poor demonstration on the bag, nobodys got a head that size.

[OMGWTF]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

Its a mixture of the two. poor demonstration on the bag, nobodys got a head that size.

Whats a mix of the two?

[jms]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

These methods are the exact same thing. You're getting confused because you're looking at how a beginner is taught technique in a controlled environment then how a pro applies that technique in a dynamic environment, seeing that they aren't identical and trying to figure out why. You said before that the difference is in one the pivot comes before the push, in the other the push comes first. That's not right, in both of them the push comes first. The pivot is emphasized because most beginners won't turn their hips at all without it, and coming up higher on the ball of the foot is an easy way to teach them to transfer weight more easily. Then as the boxer progresses the weight transfer and hip rotation come more naturally, their ROM likely increases and the technique starts to look different, when really it's the same but more refined. The pros still do move their feet and their knees, it's just more subtle and you aren't seeing it.

[OMGWTF]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

These methods are the exact same thing. You're getting confused because you're looking at how a beginner is taught technique in a controlled environment then how a pro applies that technique in a dynamic environment, seeing that they aren't identical and trying to figure out why. You said before that the difference is in one the pivot comes before the push, in the other the push comes first. That's not right, in both of them the push comes first. The pivot is emphasized because most beginners won't turn their hips at all without it, and coming up higher on the ball of the foot is an easy way to teach them to transfer weight more easily. Then as the boxer progresses the weight transfer and hip rotation come more naturally, their ROM likely increases and the technique starts to look different, when really it's the same but more refined. The pros still do move their feet and their knees, it's just more subtle and you aren't seeing it.

"the exact same thing"

What an inane start to your trolling argument!

1st of all you are wrong.

They arnt the exact* same thing.

1) The push off version comes from a strong explosive push off/down using the thigh muscles.

2) The twisting foot version while it has some meshing down of the weight before you start, its to a MUCH lesser degree and its more gravity doing the work rather than the thigh muscles pushing off (initially) the force starts mostly from the twist not the push. Infact no pushing down at all is required for this method. So ha!

[Andre]

There are a lot of different hooks as well different ranges ,different footwork can lead up to some others like a shuffle to double up low high hooks. Following a target adjustments;flying and switching hooks something again completely rare but interesting for the right time.
@Scrap the knee and then elbow would be the automatic adjusters for balance?

[Scrap]

There are a lot of different hooks as well different ranges ,different footwork can lead up to some others like a shuffle to double up low high hooks. Following a target adjustments;flying and switching hooks something again completely rare but interesting for the right time.
@Scrap the knee and then elbow would be the automatic adjusters for balance?

More so knee and thumb.

[takeshi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kKY_NGM1Uw

[BCBUD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kKY_NGM1Uw

There is a correlation between muscle stabilizers and good form you may find that when you don't have it your opponent can throw you off balance with hooks.

[Gray Lion]

You know the best answer to this question is "that depends on the boxer". I have seen some fighters that look like they were doing a hula dance when they pivot on the back foot to add weight to the punch, and I have seen some boxers who just ever so slightly keep the heal off the floor to assist in the pivot, and some fighters keep the back foot flat and still manage to rotate their hips and body into the punch. Most of the time you are moving and when that split second opportunity opens up for a good power punch, you are usually not in the exact position to do the classic heal off the floor and pivot move. Some good fighters usually develop quirky and goofy techniques that work for them and them alone..and I finally got smart enough to let them go with what works best.