True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

[OMGWTF]

Hip cannot move on its own as i mentioned, in another thread impossible only 6 degrees lateral up or side. Otherwise you would damage the coxxys, thats the reason, so there something else moving below it.

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What do u you see here?

I see Tyson not moving his feet at all, and still torquing his hips a fair bit and not damaging anything other than his opponents head.

[BCBUD]

Hip cannot move on its own as i mentioned, in another thread impossible only 6 degrees lateral up or side. Otherwise you would damage the coxxys, thats the reason, so there something else moving below it.

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What do u you see here?

I see Tyson not moving his feet at all, and still torquing his hips a fair bit and nodamaging anything other than his opponents head.

Well you can do as you like while remembering that if that punch lacks power people are gonna want to fight you. Its all or nothing!

[OMGWTF]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/a...s/159589_o.gif


Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

[Scrap]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

Its a mixture of the two. poor demonstration on the bag, nobodys got a head that size.

[OMGWTF]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

Its a mixture of the two. poor demonstration on the bag, nobodys got a head that size.

Whats a mix of the two?

[Scrap]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

Its a mixture of the two. poor demonstration on the bag, nobodys got a head that size.

Whats a mix of the two?

Dropping while turning.

[BCBUD]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

Its a mixture of the two. poor demonstration on the bag, nobodys got a head that size.

Whats a mix of the two?

Dropping while turning.

Scrap coach said that your style is Jack Dempsey's style over here a good coach like you could make a lot of money teaching drop stepping anywhere from $100-150 per session.

[jms]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

These methods are the exact same thing. You're getting confused because you're looking at how a beginner is taught technique in a controlled environment then how a pro applies that technique in a dynamic environment, seeing that they aren't identical and trying to figure out why. You said before that the difference is in one the pivot comes before the push, in the other the push comes first. That's not right, in both of them the push comes first. The pivot is emphasized because most beginners won't turn their hips at all without it, and coming up higher on the ball of the foot is an easy way to teach them to transfer weight more easily. Then as the boxer progresses the weight transfer and hip rotation come more naturally, their ROM likely increases and the technique starts to look different, when really it's the same but more refined. The pros still do move their feet and their knees, it's just more subtle and you aren't seeing it.

[OMGWTF]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

These methods are the exact same thing. You're getting confused because you're looking at how a beginner is taught technique in a controlled environment then how a pro applies that technique in a dynamic environment, seeing that they aren't identical and trying to figure out why. You said before that the difference is in one the pivot comes before the push, in the other the push comes first. That's not right, in both of them the push comes first. The pivot is emphasized because most beginners won't turn their hips at all without it, and coming up higher on the ball of the foot is an easy way to teach them to transfer weight more easily. Then as the boxer progresses the weight transfer and hip rotation come more naturally, their ROM likely increases and the technique starts to look different, when really it's the same but more refined. The pros still do move their feet and their knees, it's just more subtle and you aren't seeing it.

"the exact same thing"

What an inane start to your trolling argument!

1st of all you are wrong.

They arnt the exact* same thing.

1) The push off version comes from a strong explosive push off/down using the thigh muscles.

2) The twisting foot version while it has some meshing down of the weight before you start, its to a MUCH lesser degree and its more gravity doing the work rather than the thigh muscles pushing off (initially) the force starts mostly from the twist not the push. Infact no pushing down at all is required for this method. So ha!

[jms]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

These methods are the exact same thing. You're getting confused because you're looking at how a beginner is taught technique in a controlled environment then how a pro applies that technique in a dynamic environment, seeing that they aren't identical and trying to figure out why. You said before that the difference is in one the pivot comes before the push, in the other the push comes first. That's not right, in both of them the push comes first. The pivot is emphasized because most beginners won't turn their hips at all without it, and coming up higher on the ball of the foot is an easy way to teach them to transfer weight more easily. Then as the boxer progresses the weight transfer and hip rotation come more naturally, their ROM likely increases and the technique starts to look different, when really it's the same but more refined. The pros still do move their feet and their knees, it's just more subtle and you aren't seeing it.

Not true, it is taught to grind a cigarette out, which takes some downwards pressure but not ALOT. (You mesh your weight down here simply by directing gravity onto one leg or the other leg, so the weights there ready to shift before you twist the foot)

To push off requires ALOT of downwards pressure. (you use your powerful thigh muscles to cause ALOT of downward pressure 1st which is something you dont do with the other method, this is the key difference!)

Also some teach not to twist the foot because they believe power is wasted from the slip between the foot and the ground.

Also its not so subtle I dont see it many instances there is 0 movement in the foot by the pros, sometimes there's a little, sometimes there's alot.

So you are wrong on all accounts.

No, the pivot method also pushes very hard into the ground IF it's done correctly. Edit: Also, with proper technique it's not predominantly the thigh muscles. That shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the lower body works, otherwise a technical issue and dysfunction in the way your body moves.

The only time you won't see any pivot at all is when the weight is all the way forward. And that's far from ideal technique, but in the middle of a fight sometimes necessary and when you already have natural power you can get away with it pretty easily.

As scrap has said the hip is very limited in it's ability to rotate past where the foot is pointing. If you have the other guy positioned in that power arc you won't have to pivot very much. Often just a slight raise of the heel is enough. Or you can compromise by leaning. But either way, it's the same technique just with adjustments made. No matter what the push and thus the floor is where the power comes from.

[OMGWTF]

So push down method, is it more powerful or less powerful than the foot twist method?

I prefer the foot twist method and I prefer to use it the way scrap recommends. But alot of pros, like Tyson, Tua, Fraizier, etc etc prefer the push down method.

Which is more powerful which is better?

Heres the push down/ push off 1st method

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Heres foot twist 1st method

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

These methods are the exact same thing. You're getting confused because you're looking at how a beginner is taught technique in a controlled environment then how a pro applies that technique in a dynamic environment, seeing that they aren't identical and trying to figure out why. You said before that the difference is in one the pivot comes before the push, in the other the push comes first. That's not right, in both of them the push comes first. The pivot is emphasized because most beginners won't turn their hips at all without it, and coming up higher on the ball of the foot is an easy way to teach them to transfer weight more easily. Then as the boxer progresses the weight transfer and hip rotation come more naturally, their ROM likely increases and the technique starts to look different, when really it's the same but more refined. The pros still do move their feet and their knees, it's just more subtle and you aren't seeing it.

Not true, it is taught to grind a cigarette out, which takes some downwards pressure but not ALOT. (You mesh your weight down here simply by directing gravity onto one leg or the other leg, so the weights there ready to shift before you twist the foot)

To push off requires ALOT of downwards pressure. (you use your powerful thigh muscles to cause ALOT of downward pressure 1st which is something you dont do with the other method, this is the key difference!)

Also some teach not to twist the foot because they believe power is wasted from the slip between the foot and the ground.

Also its not so subtle I dont see it many instances there is 0 movement in the foot by the pros, sometimes there's a little, sometimes there's alot.

So you are wrong on all accounts.

No, the pivot method also pushes very hard into the ground IF it's done correctly. Edit: Also, with proper technique it's not predominantly the thigh muscles. That shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the lower body works, otherwise a technical issue and dysfunction in the way your body moves.

The only time you won't see any pivot at all is when the weight is all the way forward. And that's far from ideal technique, but in the middle of a fight sometimes necessary and when you already have natural power you can get away with it pretty easily.

As scrap has said the hip is very limited in it's ability to rotate past where the foot is pointing. If you have the other guy positioned in that power arc you won't have to pivot very much. Often just a slight raise of the heel is enough. Or you can compromise by leaning. But either way, it's the same technique just with adjustments made. No matter what the push and thus the floor is where the power comes from.

You can punch JUST from twisting the foot, 0 push off.

You can punch just from pushing off 0 twist of the foot.

2 different methods, that can also blur. But you are trying to argue that a punch that comes predominantly from a push off is the exact same thing as a punch that comes predominantly from a foot twist.

Your argument regarding fighters not doing it due to it being mid fight is also inane, because they do it the same way on the mits bag etc when theres no pressure.

Some fighters dont twist the foot and still get good hip rotation so scrap was completely wrong on that one.

hahahahaha

[Andre]

There are a lot of different hooks as well different ranges ,different footwork can lead up to some others like a shuffle to double up low high hooks. Following a target adjustments;flying and switching hooks something again completely rare but interesting for the right time.
@Scrap the knee and then elbow would be the automatic adjusters for balance?

[Scrap]

There are a lot of different hooks as well different ranges ,different footwork can lead up to some others like a shuffle to double up low high hooks. Following a target adjustments;flying and switching hooks something again completely rare but interesting for the right time.
@Scrap the knee and then elbow would be the automatic adjusters for balance?

More so knee and thumb.

[OMGWTF]

Whats all this talk about the thumb?

[Scrap]

Whats all this talk about the thumb?

Kinetic link to the hips .