If Floyd never fights Manny...

[imp]

Why cant ggg step up and face ward.?

Always an excuse.

[mikeeod]

Why cant ggg step up and face ward.?

Always an excuse.

Ward isn't fighting and isn't calling GGG out. GGG is destroying anyone who gets in the ring with him. Cotto won't even mention his name. It's like asking why Hop and Hagler avoided so many big fights for so many years. Everyone avoided them like they avoid GGG. I'm sure once GGG cleans out middleweight he will look for Ward. If GGG starts running around with a TBE shirt, I will want him to back it up in the ring and take some big risks as well.

[Rantcatrat]

Why cant ggg step up and face ward.?

Always an excuse.

@imp - this isn't the point of the thread, but I agree with you to an extent. I said last year if GGG cleaned out the division, he should move up because there wouldn't be anything left for him to do at middleweight. Frankly, after Rubio I'm not sure there is anyone else really left at 160 for him to fight. I know he wants Canelo/Cotto, but he isn't going to get them in the same city, let alone a ring. He should move up. Froch or Ward would be great. I wouldn't fault him for either.

[imp]

Floyd fights cotto at his weight and beats him and theres an excuse.

Cotto beats a one legged martinez and theres no excuse.

What is it with boxing fans defending bigger guys picking on little guys rather than fighting their own weight and higher.

[mikeeod]

Floyd fights cotto at his weight and beats him and theres an excuse.

Cotto beats a one legged martinez and theres no excuse.

What is it with boxing fans defending bigger guys picking on little guys rather than fighting their own weight and higher.

I disagree with your statement. Cotto is damaged goods and I think most on this forum agree that Cotto was in the right place, at the right time to become mw champ. I have seen numerous posters correctly state that Cotto isn't the best or most daunting MW right now and that GGG and Quillin are superior at that weight.

If Canelo, Quillin, Mayweather or GGG fight Cotto, there will be a new champ for that weight. Most on here, if not all, correctly admire Cotto's desire to fight the best and seek the biggest challenges. Another poster was spot on in saying that Martinez was begging to fight Floyd for years and took Cotto as a consolation. As impressed as I was with Cotto for chasing that fight and as daunting as it appeared to be prior to the first bell, you would have to be blind to not recognize how Sergio's knee hampered his style in the ring.

I would like to see Floyd consistently challenge himself and make a statement by beating the biggest challenge (realistically, not Wlad...etc.) available. Some of the fights weren't Floyd's fault as he did pursue Mosely while Shane was closer to his prime...etc. I still would've lived to have seen Floyd swallow a little ego and fight Kostya, Bradley, Paul Williams, Winky (they were negotiating and had pretty much reached a deal at one point), Sergio Martinez and of course Manny. He never fought them for various reasons but guys in the pantheon like Robinson, Duran, Leonard...etc., would have found a way to make those big fights happen. At least some of them.

[imp]

If floyd never fought canelo everyone would be saying he is ducking him.

Be honest.

Floyd is old and still fighting the best out there.

[mikeeod]

If floyd never fought canelo everyone would be saying he is ducking him.

Be honest.

Floyd is old and still fighting the best out there.

I think I put Floyd's win over Canelo in proper perspective. It was a good win, and Canelo is younger and larger. I also knew that Floyd would win that pretty easy due to Canelo being one dimensional and relatively inexperienced at that elite level. Still was a good performance.

I also tend to give Floyd more credit than most for his wins over Judah and Baldomir. Judah is awkward and talented and I thought Floyd looked great setting traps and adjusting as the fight went on in that one. Baldy was hitting his stride and was a much bigger man who had developed solid skills. They weren't great wins, but they were better than most give credit for.

I was not impressed with the Cotto win and I wouldn't be impressed if he beat him again. Cotto just isn't what he was in his prime. He has slipped. Floyd's wins over Mosely, Oscar, Sharmba Mitchell and Cotto were diminished in my eyes as those men were not anywhere near their primes at the time.

Young Floyd had the mentality of a great fighter. He had that desire to "slay the dragon" and beat the toughest challenge out there. He CHASED Chico. He DEMANDED that fight to prove his greatness. Same with Castillo. He jumped up with no tune ups and took on the true champ who was hitting his stride and cleaning out the division. Floyd has fought solid competition since then, no doubt. He hasn't strived to prove his greatness and make the really big fights like he used to either, and that is what fans are unhappy about. It isn't hating. It's just being honest and stating why a fighter isn't as great in your personal opinion.

[ruthless rocco]

Barring a fight with any current middleweight, super middleweight, lightheavy etc...

Who do you view as a legitimate challenge for Floyd?

Who would you be satisfied with him fighting? (Who would stop your stupid baby whining?)


@mikeeod @Rantcatrat @imp @zhubin
@anyoneelsewhowantstoanswer

[mikeeod]

Barring a fight with any current middleweight, super middleweight, lightheavy etc...

Who do you view as a legitimate challenge for Floyd?

Who would you be satisfied with him fighting? (Who would stop your stupid baby whining?)


@mikeeod @Rantcatrat @imp @zhubin
@anyoneelsewhowantstoanswer

Ah, Rocco, my favorite little window licker. I've already stated numerous times who I would've liked to have seen Floyd fight. The tears must blur your vision or something. Right now, there isn't a fighter 154 and down who would give Floyd a great challenge. Manny is still good, but is the smaller man and not the force he was 4 years ago. Danny Garcia, in my opinion, is overrated and loses to the first solid fighter who doesn't take him lightly. Bradley isn't what he was. JMM is waaaay past his best. Thurman is green. Khan is chinny, has stamina issues, and is inconsistent. Kell Brook beat Porter, but that is a far cry from Floyd. Brook needs more seasoning. Andrade is green and not even calling Floyd out. Lara and Floyd together would make me cry from the sheer pacifism and non engagement in the ring. Just to clarify, no one is crying but you. Most of us are having a rational discussion on why we rank Floyd a certain way and who we would like to see him fight. You come out of left field throwing a tantrum like a woman scorned who caught Floyd in bed with her sister. Get a grip.

[p4pking]

I don't think anyone would complain if Floyd signed to fight Thurman, Brook, Khan, or Pacquiao. After the two Maidana fights, those are all legitimately interesting match ups imo.

[ruthless rocco]

Barring a fight with any current middleweight, super middleweight, lightheavy etc...

Who do you view as a legitimate challenge for Floyd?

Who would you be satisfied with him fighting? (Who would stop your stupid baby whining?)


@mikeeod @Rantcatrat @imp @zhubin
@anyoneelsewhowantstoanswer

Ah, Rocco, my favorite little window licker. I've already stated numerous times who I would've liked to have seen Floyd fight. The tears must blur your vision or something. Right now, there isn't a fighter 154 and down who would give Floyd a great challenge. Manny is still good, but is the smaller man and not the force he was 4 years ago. Danny Garcia, in my opinion, is overrated and loses to the first solid fighter who doesn't take him lightly. Bradley isn't what he was. JMM is waaaay past his best. Thurman is green. Khan is chinny, has stamina issues, and is inconsistent. Kell Brook beat Porter, but that is a far cry from Floyd. Brook needs more seasoning. Andrade is green and not even calling Floyd out. Lara and Floyd together would make me cry from the sheer pacifism and non engagement in the ring. Just to clarify, no one is crying but you. Most of us are having a rational discussion on why we rank Floyd a certain way and who we would like to see him fight. You come out of left field throwing a tantrum like a woman scorned who caught Floyd in bed with her sister. Get a grip.

I didn't ask you who you would have had liked to see him fight in the past but who you would like to see him fight in the future. That's not the same thing. Donkey.

So your answer is no one. Thanks for coming out.

[imp]

Barring a fight with any current middleweight, super middleweight, lightheavy etc...

Who do you view as a legitimate challenge for Floyd?

Who would you be satisfied with him fighting? (Who would stop your stupid baby whining?)


@mikeeod @Rantcatrat @imp @zhubin
@anyoneelsewhowantstoanswer

Ah, Rocco, my favorite little window licker. I've already stated numerous times who I would've liked to have seen Floyd fight. The tears must blur your vision or something. Right now, there isn't a fighter 154 and down who would give Floyd a great challenge. Manny is still good, but is the smaller man and not the force he was 4 years ago. Danny Garcia, in my opinion, is overrated and loses to the first solid fighter who doesn't take him lightly. Bradley isn't what he was. JMM is waaaay past his best. Thurman is green. Khan is chinny, has stamina issues, and is inconsistent. Kell Brook beat Porter, but that is a far cry from Floyd. Brook needs more seasoning. Andrade is green and not even calling Floyd out. Lara and Floyd together would make me cry from the sheer pacifism and non engagement in the ring. Just to clarify, no one is crying but you. Most of us are having a rational discussion on why we rank Floyd a certain way and who we would like to see him fight. You come out of left field throwing a tantrum like a woman scorned who caught Floyd in bed with her sister. Get a grip.

Danny garcia overated?

Underated you mean!!..

Leave danny alone.

All he has done is win whether we like his style or not.

[Rantcatrat]

Barring a fight with any current middleweight, super middleweight, lightheavy etc...

Who do you view as a legitimate challenge for Floyd?

Who would you be satisfied with him fighting? (Who would stop your stupid baby whining?)


@mikeeod @Rantcatrat @imp @zhubin
@anyoneelsewhowantstoanswer

Legitimate challenge below 160. There's not too many foes out there if I'm honest that Mayweather hasn't beat. If Thurman had a quality win or two at welterweight, he's not a bad challenge. He needs a win though over someone like Kell Brook or Shawn Porter. Demetrius Andrade is a good challenge too. He's coming off a good win over Vanes Martirosyan and it looks like he might move to Showtime to face a Charlo brother in December. Assuming he comes out with a win, he might be the best option. Kell Brook hismelf isn't a bad fight, but I don't know if he has enough to really challenge Mayweather. Some people like the style match-up with Khan, but I'm not convinced because of Khan's chin. If Kirkland would get his act together, even though Mayweather wins the fight easy, it's a fun fight for four rounds. I'm not even mentioning Pacquiao because that ship has sailed. I'm tired of it even being brought up.

Regardless, I'd be more excited about Mayweather fighting GGG than any potential fight I listed. Also, I think he'd win or it'd be close.