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The hip rotation and direction of the punch are the same direction.
But you should push into the floor as scrap was saying, in the direction opposite your back foot, which thus moves your body towards that foot.
You're making the common beginner mistake of looking for perfect, static technique in an imperfect, highly dynamic environment. Take the few examples you've posted, in each case the attacking fighting is moving forward so his feet aren't planted, which changes the mechanics.
Something you need to keep in mind is the anatomy of the lower body. Kick boxers by the nature of their sport must develop excellent external rotation at the hip joint, which allows greater turn of the
hips without moving the foot. It thus becomes possible to have a greater range of motion without the pivot, which as I said only exists to provide that range of motion. So if you can achieve that without pivoting, which most pros can on the left hook at least, then you're fine. However as a beginner don't neglect it, and no matter how good you get don't neglect that pivot on your right hand. When you see people do that it's because they aren't driving with the back foot for power, they're leaning and usually have that back foot way behind them. It won't have to turn as far in for a right hook as it does for a straight right due to the different mechanics of those punches, but it definitely needs to turn some for both if we're talking ideal technique. And again, ideal technique is not what you'll typically see in a chaotic environment.
Here are clips of vitaly and his feet are planted while throwing hooks.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng_TcwPDUgo
Wlad left foot is planted while throwing the hook.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pkkMPuTv-k8
I basically havent got a style, I give the fighters one .
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These methods are the exact same thing. You're getting confused because you're looking at how a beginner is taught technique in a controlled environment then how a pro applies that technique in a dynamic environment, seeing that they aren't identical and trying to figure out why. You said before that the difference is in one the pivot comes before the push, in the other the push comes first. That's not right, in both of them the push comes first. The pivot is emphasized because most beginners won't turn their hips at all without it, and coming up higher on the ball of the foot is an easy way to teach them to transfer weight more easily. Then as the boxer progresses the weight transfer and hip rotation come more naturally, their ROM likely increases and the technique starts to look different, when really it's the same but more refined. The pros still do move their feet and their knees, it's just more subtle and you aren't seeing it.
"the exact same thing"
What an inane start to your trolling argument!
1st of all you are wrong.
They arnt the exact* same thing.
1) The push off version comes from a strong explosive push off/down using the thigh muscles.
2) The twisting foot version while it has some meshing down of the weight before you start, its to a MUCH lesser degree and its more gravity doing the work rather than the thigh muscles pushing off (initially) the force starts mostly from the twist not the push. Infact no pushing down at all is required for this method. So ha!
Last edited by OMGWTF; 10-11-2014 at 02:08 AM.
No, the pivot method also pushes very hard into the ground IF it's done correctly. Edit: Also, with proper technique it's not predominantly the thigh muscles. That shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the lower body works, otherwise a technical issue and dysfunction in the way your body moves.
The only time you won't see any pivot at all is when the weight is all the way forward. And that's far from ideal technique, but in the middle of a fight sometimes necessary and when you already have natural power you can get away with it pretty easily.
As scrap has said the hip is very limited in it's ability to rotate past where the foot is pointing. If you have the other guy positioned in that power arc you won't have to pivot very much. Often just a slight raise of the heel is enough. Or you can compromise by leaning. But either way, it's the same technique just with adjustments made. No matter what the push and thus the floor is where the power comes from.
Last edited by jms; 10-11-2014 at 01:39 AM.
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