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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by jms View Post
    The push is what actually moves the hips, the pivot gives you range of motion.
    Does the direction of the push matter, should you push towards the hip rotation or up or in the same direction of the punch or does it not matter so long as it gets the hips rotating?

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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by OMGWTF View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jms View Post
    The push is what actually moves the hips, the pivot gives you range of motion.
    Does the direction of the push matter, should you push towards the hip rotation or up or in the same direction of the punch or does it not matter so long as it gets the hips rotating?
    In that clip Tyson gets him walking on to the shot. Even so the knee and foot are turning What turns the shoulder is the opposite shoulder, plus it keeps the weight on the back foot. What happened there the guy gave Tyson his distance and paid for doing it. Oh and you push down, as i said before study your walking movement for drive and when that is lost. There lies the answer, realise where the head is when the front foot lands, then bend the knees.
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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OMGWTF View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jms View Post
    The push is what actually moves the hips, the pivot gives you range of motion.
    Does the direction of the push matter, should you push towards the hip rotation or up or in the same direction of the punch or does it not matter so long as it gets the hips rotating?
    In that clip Tyson gets him walking on to the shot. Even so the knee and foot are turning What turns the shoulder is the opposite shoulder, plus it keeps the weight on the back foot. What happened there the guy gave Tyson his distance and paid for doing it. Oh and you push down, as i said before study your walking movement for drive and when that is lost. There lies the answer, realise where the head is when the front foot lands, then bend the knees.

    You said the "foot and knee have to move" so you got it wrong. The foot can stay completely still Hell even the knee can even stay largely still.

    Kick boxers punch like this all the time because they dont want to turn the back of their leg out to the side where it is vulnerable to a kick so they aim not to move the foot or the knee or to do it minimally, but they can still get good rotation on their hips. Also pro boxers more often than not dont move the foot much at all. Some martial artists are the similar to the kick boxers except they want stability and balance/defense against trips n throws, so thats why they dont turn the leg out.

    What you dont seem to understand is that although everything is connected there is a fair amount of room for movement before the foot or even knee have to turn.

    xD

    Also I am only a beginner, I presume you've studied this for a long time?
    Last edited by OMGWTF; 10-09-2014 at 04:00 AM.

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    A little longer than you .
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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by scrap View Post
    a little longer than you ;d.
    and yet you get it so badly wrong xD

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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by OMGWTF View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OMGWTF View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jms View Post
    The push is what actually moves the hips, the pivot gives you range of motion.
    Does the direction of the push matter, should you push towards the hip rotation or up or in the same direction of the punch or does it not matter so long as it gets the hips rotating?
    In that clip Tyson gets him walking on to the shot. Even so the knee and foot are turning What turns the shoulder is the opposite shoulder, plus it keeps the weight on the back foot. What happened there the guy gave Tyson his distance and paid for doing it. Oh and you push down, as i said before study your walking movement for drive and when that is lost. There lies the answer, realise where the head is when the front foot lands, then bend the knees.
    You said the "foot and knee have to move" so you got it wrong. The foot can stay completely still Hell even the knee can even stay largely still.

    Kick boxers punch like this all the time because they dont want to turn the back of their leg out to the side where it is vulnerable to a kick so they aim not to move the foot or the knee or to do it minimally, but they can still get good rotation on their hips. Also pro boxers more often than not dont move the foot much at all. Some martial artists are the similar to the kick boxers except they want stability and balance/defense against trips n throws, so thats why they dont turn the leg out.

    What you dont seem to understand is that although everything is connected there is a fair amount of room for movement before the foot or even knee have to turn.

    xD

    Also I am only a beginner, I presume you've studied this for a long time?

    Something you need to keep in mind is the anatomy of the lower body. Kick boxers by the nature of their sport must develop excellent external rotation at the hip joint, which allows greater turn of the
    hips without moving the foot. It thus becomes possible to have a greater range of motion without the pivot, which as I said only exists to provide that range of motion. So if you can achieve that without pivoting, which most pros can on the left hook at least, then you're fine. However as a beginner don't neglect it, and no matter how good you get don't neglect that pivot on your right hand. When you see people do that it's because they aren't driving with the back foot for power, they're leaning and usually have that back foot way behind them. It won't have to turn as far in for a right hook as it does for a straight right due to the different mechanics of those punches, but it definitely needs to turn some for both if we're talking ideal technique. And again, ideal technique is not what you'll typically see in a chaotic environment.

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    Here are clips of vitaly and his feet are planted while throwing hooks.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng_TcwPDUgo
    Wlad left foot is planted while throwing the hook.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pkkMPuTv-k8

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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by OMGWTF View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jms View Post
    The push is what actually moves the hips, the pivot gives you range of motion.
    Does the direction of the push matter, should you push towards the hip rotation or up or in the same direction of the punch or does it not matter so long as it gets the hips rotating?
    The hip rotation and direction of the punch are the same direction.

    But you should push into the floor as scrap was saying, in the direction opposite your back foot, which thus moves your body towards that foot.

    You're making the common beginner mistake of looking for perfect, static technique in an imperfect, highly dynamic environment. Take the few examples you've posted, in each case the attacking fighting is moving forward so his feet aren't planted, which changes the mechanics.

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