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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    But if you look at the video clip of sugary Leonard he barely moves,his right heel is planted and he doesn't kick out the left heel much.
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    I'm not trying to be argumentative this is just a discussion

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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCBUD View Post
    But if you look at the video clip of sugary Leonard he barely moves,his right heel is planted and he doesn't kick out the left heel much.
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    I'm not trying to be argumentative this is just a discussion


    You can very clearly see the heel lift and turn a little, plus the knee moves in. It's subtle, but it's definitely there. Remember you're watching a pro, one of the greats in this case. His movements are gonna be smaller than the ones you learn, his body knows how to move and doesn't need bigger movements to be taught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jms View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BCBUD View Post
    But if you look at the video clip of sugary Leonard he barely moves,his right heel is planted and he doesn't kick out the left heel much.
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    I'm not trying to be argumentative this is just a discussion


    You can very clearly see the heel lift and turn a little, plus the knee moves in. It's subtle, but it's definitely there. Remember you're watching a pro, one of the greats in this case. His movements are gonna be smaller than the ones you learn, his body knows how to move and doesn't need bigger movements to be taught.
    Notice how he punches downward its looks more like a shoulder roll in comparison to our coach who turns the thumb in for a level punch.

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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCBUD View Post
    But if you look at the video clip of sugary Leonard he barely moves,his right heel is planted and he doesn't kick out the left heel much.
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    I'm not trying to be argumentative this is just a discussion
    Question what should be asked is what the backfoot is doing what moves the left side is the right side letting it move and assisting it.
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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCBUD View Post
    But if you look at the video clip of sugary Leonard he barely moves,his right heel is planted and he doesn't kick out the left heel much.
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    I'm not trying to be argumentative this is just a discussion
    To be objective, I got a lot of insight from Scrap, it is just that the goal of this article was to show the improvement or progress , how to make things better. The goal was not to show how to throw a perfect hook.
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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    All modern gyms in London push off the front foot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry potter View Post
    All modern gyms in London push off the front foot!
    The idea is if you push off the left quadricep the right hamstring will Pull this is the idea behind modern boxing.I think that is the idea but I'm not certain?

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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCBUD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry potter View Post
    All modern gyms in London push off the front foot!
    The idea is if you push off the left quadricep the right hamstring will Pull this is the idea behind modern boxing.I think that is the idea but I'm not certain?
    Here's an interesting point, the quads and hamstrings BOTH fire when performing the concentric portion of a squat. Now that shouldn't be possible, because we typically think of the quads extending the knee and the hamstrings flexing the knee. However, both of those muscle groups contain muscles (most notably the rectus femoris in the quads) that are 2 joint muscles, meaning due to their attachments they have the ability to cause motion at both the hips and the knees but to different degrees. So two apparently opposing muscles can actually work in a sort of synergy, which the quads extending the knee and the hamstrings extending the hip as the glute fires. And through this information it is actually determined that the glutes are knee extensors due to the role they play in causing activation of the quads during the lift. Similarly, the quads actually produce force in plantarflexion at the ankles, which explains why your calves aren't tired even after lifting heavy enough to theoretically put them close to max exertion.

    That's a lot of really complicated anatomy/physiology crammed into a brief paragraph, but the main point is that all the muscles of the body work together to produce and stabilize movement in complex ways. Now it's extremely important for optimal performance and injury prevention to make sure the right muscles are doing the work, because the body is so adaptable it can function doing the wrong thing adequately for a long time before injury sets in.

    You're on the right track though, Left leg pushes and right leg stabilizes, then right leg pushes and left leg stabilizes. That's the basis of movement.

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    The head coach who is an old old man of Irish origin says that style of fighting is very old and is not used anymore and he gave this reason why for his beef with scraps teaching is that when you push off the left quadricep with the right hamstring pulling this enables for full maximum delivery.The other issue he has is that if scraps power is coming off the back leg (falling) then you'll be off balance if that left hook misses the target, or if scrap is coming up on the balls of his feet off the uppercut then this will leave you ungrounded and open should you miss.it's hard to know if I'm understanding scrap correctly but I probably not.

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    Default Re: True or false most pro boxers dont pivot the foot they push off it?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCBUD View Post
    The head coach who is an old old man of Irish origin says that style of fighting is very old and is not used anymore and he gave this reason why for his beef with scraps teaching is that when you push off the left quadricep with the right hamstring pulling this enables for full maximum delivery.The other issue he has is that if scraps power is coming off the back leg (falling) then you'll be off balance if that left hook misses the target, or if scrap is coming up on the balls of his feet off the uppercut then this will leave you ungrounded and open should you miss.it's hard to know if I'm understanding scrap correctly but I probably not.
    On the contrary if you're leaning forward and throwing a left hook then when you miss you're gonna be wide open, if you're coming onto your back leg you'll be perfectly balanced even if you miss, and ready to throw your next shot. Coming up on the balls of the feet doesn't mean you aren't grounded, as long as you're knees and hips are engaged.

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