Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
So other than a laudry list of issues that would have been the same no matter who was president all you can offer is that Obama should have been proactive. George W Bush was proactive in invading Iraq to protect America from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and that proactiveness has led to the current situation. Perhaps being proactive isn't such a good idea.

Nevertheless, outline specific instances where Obama has failed to be proactive and state what he should have proactively done.
You keep spouting off about the WMD's (good little liberal you are) without realizing that that was one of a number of factors which lead to the invasion of Iraq. Certainly the invasion could have been avoided but for Saddam's refusal to allow UN weapons inspectors full access to his country. Now Kirkland, why would a leader refuse access to UN weapon inspectors? Sure Saddam could have thought it invasive, but with America having let's call it "an itchy trigger finger" after 9/11 and it being only a decade removed from demolishing Iraq's armed forces in the Persian Gulf War....why on Earth would a leader tempt fate that way? Would it make Saddam look better to his people? Would it help Saddam ease sanctions on his nation? After 9/11 even Muammar Gaddafi said "Irrespective of the conflict with America, it is a human duty to show sympathy with the American people and be with them at these horrifying and awesome events which are bound to awaken human conscience" ....so basically what did Saddam gain from refusal to allow UN weapons inspectors full access?

George W Bush was right to be proactive on Iraq, HOWEVER the strategy for holding that nation was all fucked up. The invasion was a piece of cake, the holding of the nation was irresponsibly done and we've paid the price for it.


Obama has not been proactive on sealing the borders of the United States.
Obama was not proactive on ISIS
Obama was not proactive on the 9/11 Benghazi attacks in fact we still have no idea where he was at the time of those attacks and he refuses to answer
Obama was not proactive on Fast & Furious which handed weapons to drug traffickers & coyotes
Obama was not proactive on the IRS scandal and again has been stubborn in his refusal to address that situation
Obama was not proactive regarding Russia's invasion of Crimea

Those are just a few situations off the top of my head and well of course you'll ask "Well what would you want him to do?" to which I will reply...

Close off the borders of the United States and militarize the border with Mexico.
If you know of a large well funded terrorist organization then take it out before it hatches a plan to attack our troops on the ground or our citizens at home.
Far too late now, but send in available military forces to save Amb. Stevens and those in danger in Benghazi.
DO NOT give narcotraficantes and coyotes more guns, how hard is that?
Hold the IRS accountable for wrongdoings if there were any which Congress could and should find out with the full help of the White House and Executive Branch...unless of course the Executive Branch and/or President ordered such things to happen in which case you resign in humiliation and beg for forgiveness from the American people.
Russia doesn't want war with the United States any more than we want war with them, that said, we could have allowed "cooler heads to prevail" had we moved a warship near Crimea in order to support the sovereign nation of Ukraine which until recently owned Crimea.

But hey, that's just my take on why Obama sucks as a President but hell your buddy Jimmy Carter even said Obama blew it with his nonaction on ISIS and that's Mr. Peanut saying that shit!!!
This posts starts silly and gets sillier. Whenever you say "you do realise" I know I'm then going to read a whole load of wrong and you don't disappoint.

Long story short.

Saddam let the inspectors in. They had a bunch of secret sites info from the CIA to check out. They checked them out and found nothing. BUsh said, ah, that's because the WMD are now in double secret sites and we can't tell the inspectors where they are. Seriously.

Saddam invited the CIA into Iraq to expose the double secret sites to the world.

Saddam Extends Invite to CIA | Fox News

Bush declined his offer.

The inspectors said never mind, give us a few more weeks and we can confirm no new WMD.

Bush said no, the threat from Daddam and his WMD is so great that I have to act now.

War looms as Bush issues final warning By Dana Milbank and Mike Allen
Washington Post
WASHINGTON — President Bush vowed yesterday to attack Iraq with the "full force and might" of the U.S. military if Saddam Hussein does not flee within 48 hours, setting the nation on an almost certain course to war.



Bush delivered the ultimatum hours after his administration earlier in the day admitted failure in its months-long effort to win the blessing of the U.N. Security Council to forcibly disarm the Iraqi leader. The United Nations ordered its inspectors and humanitarian personnel out of Iraq, and Bush urged foreign nationals to leave the country immediately.









"It is too late for Saddam Hussein to remain in power," he said. "It is not too late for the Iraqi military to act with honor and protect your country, by permitting the peaceful entry of coalition forces to eliminate weapons of mass destruction."






Bush presented grim images of the danger of terrorist strikes on U.S. soil that could kill hundreds of thousands.
"We choose to meet that threat now, where it arises, before it can appear suddenly in our skies and cities," he said. He spoke darkly of acting "before the day of horror can come."





Bush defiantly asserted a right to attack Iraq, even without sanction from the Security Council. "The United States of America has the sovereign authority to use force in assuring its own national security," he said. "The United States and our allies are authorized to use force in ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. This is not a question of authority. It is a question of will."





"Terrorists and terror states do not reveal these threats with fair notice in formal declarations," he said. "And responding to such enemies only after they have struck first is not self-defense, it is suicide. The security of the world requires disarming Saddam Hussein now."


http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Mar/18/ln/ln11a.html




You seem to be saying that you would have invaded Syria when Isis started growing in size. How would you do that?