how many points should Ali have lost fouling?

[brocktonblockbust]

even 12 year old Vendettos sees his grabbing, clinching, pulling down on his opponents' necks round after round, holding, LONG PERIODS of posing/inactivity/clowning during fights, backing up to the ropes/refusing to engage his opponent (LOVED IT WHEN JOE FRAZIER grabbed Ali by the wrists during a rope a dope nonsense AND YANKED HIM back into the ring LAUGHING and whipping hooks to the exhausted Ali's liver. OH JOE GREAT FIGHT YO!!!!!!
@p4pQueen I'll see you tomorrow night about 9 p.m.....oh and bring Blundetto with you bwaha

bwa-ha see you tomorrow night p4pQueen...hey Im just pasting what you already wrote before the successive previous entry in chronological order.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah, people dog modern guys who hold, clinch, and foul but guys like Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson did that shit all time.

[Bill Paxtom]

I Blame The Referee's,

Who were all in Muhammad's 'corner', or were in fear of later retaliation.

All were afraid to penalize him a point, in fear of being called a 'racist'.

In my Book,

Joe Frazier wins the 2nd-bout, by way of Points. I could count at least 7-Times
where 'Clutching Cassius' should have been penalized.

[bradlee180]

Yep, Ali's tactics in the 2nd Frazier fight turned the fight into pure $#!t...



...and one of the worst refs in Boxing history, tony perez, did nothing about it!

[Bill Paxtom]

Correcto Mundo,

January 1974

Joe Frazier earns a 12-Round Unanimous Decision over 'Clutching Cassius' who
is correctly penalized 7-Points for incessant holding and fouling.

Cassius drops to #3 in the Heavyweight Rankings.

Joe Frazier moves to #1.

Ken Norton stays at #2, despite getting KO'd in 2 by George Foreman.

Cassius is now nicknamed 'The Clutch' by the Press.

Liberace reclaims the moniker 'The Greatest'.

[beenKOed]

Yeah, people dog modern guys who hold, clinch, and foul but guys like Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson did that shit all time.

That's true! I think the average boxing fan of today is more knowledgable or, at least, wants to see a level playing field.
I think most of the excessive holding is do to piss poor refereeing. Ali used to hit and hold, hit and hold round after round and it did make me mad but I'd be just as disgusted with the referee.
Boxing is a brutal sport and protecting yourself by holding is something we have to put up with to a point. It's the referees job to hold it to an acceptable level.
Yes, Ali should have lost plenty of points for holding and I blame the referees for not taking them.

[Dark Lord Al]

I just don't see Clay as the best HW ever , let alone best fighter ever. I didn't care for his style at all.

[Bill Paxtom]

Cassius Clay

Had more stinkeroo's than good performances.

[ruthless rocco]

Cassius Clay

Had more stinkeroo's than good performances.

@Bill Paxtom you need to learn how to properly use the apostrophe.

[Bill Paxtom]

Points that should have been deducted.

Cassius Clay

-1 ..... vs. Alonzo Johnson > {Running and Non-action}
-1 ..... vs. George Logan > {Possible Disqualification > Intentional thumbing}
-1 ..... vs. Archie Moore > {Holding and Hitting}
-1 ..... vs. Doug Jones > {Holding and Hitting}
-1 ..... vs. Sonny Liston > {Excessive Holding > Round 5}

-1 ..... vs. George Chuvalo > {Intentional Holding and Hitting}
-2 ..... vs. Ernie Terrell > {Intentional Thumbing, and Cuffing}

-1 ..... vs. Ken Norton I > {Illegal Punch}
-7 ..... vs. Joe Frazier II > {Excessive Holding}
-2 ..... vs. Ron Lyle > {Clowning and not exhibiting Professional Behavior}
-1 ..... vs. Alfredo Evangelista > {Clowning}
-2 ..... vs. Larry Holmes > {Not even trying to fight back}

[Master]

Forget you all. Ali is the greatest. You are all fools for agreeing with Bill. That alone tells you you are deluded.

[Xwetie]

Nada eh~!

[IamInuit]

One of the dirtiest of his era. Like watching the garbage Floyd got away with against Hatton in every other fight but not even in the top 50 ever.