how many points should Ali have lost fouling?

[Bill Paxtom]

If a Muhammad Ali bout was on Television.

We switched over to watch re-runs of 'I Love Lucy'.

Nearly everyone of Ali's bouts were scripted, much like 'I Love Lucy'

[brocktonblockbust]

If a Muhammad Ali bout was on Television.

We switched over to watch re-runs of 'I Love Lucy'.

Nearly everyone of Ali's bouts were scripted, much like 'I Love Lucy'

Agreed. Esp. the Lyle bout and the 3rd Norton bout, total b.s. it was definitely choreographed. Refs paid off if anything went wrong.

[bradlee180]

In Ali/Frazier II, Ali initiated and clutched Frazier 147 times with not a single point taken by tony perez.

However, perez also called a premature end to rd 2 just when Ali stunned Frazier.
Frazier was let off the hook there and was given time to recover because of tony's incompetence.

I know these things because I decided to take out a sheet and score that fight a few years ago. Horrible excuse for a fight. I don't recommend trying to score it.

Ali and Frazier are certainly Legends and their other 2 fights are classics along with several of their other battles against other outstanding fighters ... but their 2nd fight, though hyped and ballyhooed to the public, held at Madison Square Garden and broadcast on Closed-Circuit tv, failed to deliver and turned out to be pure crapola which had everything to do with Ali's holding tactics that night and nothing to do with Frazier who always brought the fight to his opponent.



ps I never said I agreed with Bill. I was talking about that one fight with all the excessive holding.