Floyd's competition vs Manny's competition

[Beanflicker]

How bout that Marquez had to jump up two weight classes just for Floyd to not even attempt to make weight and just paid the fine. Floyd is not the same size of Marquez or Pac ( who are both small at 147). Dont be so quick to discredit Pacs win against Oscar cause he had to go down but praise Floyd for making Marquez move up two. Plus dont forget that Pac jumped up two weight classes to fight de la Hoya it was a big risk for him too.

Floyd not making weight was unprofessional for sure. He only missed it by two pounds but still unprofessional.

But Marquez also jumped 2 divisions to fight Pac at 147 too, and beat his ass twice, so how is it different? The JMM who fought Floyd at WW was the exact same size as the JMM who fought Pac at WW (and was two years younger as well).

And Floyd is a small 147lber. On fight night he is consistently outweighed by 10-20lbs by his opponents.

[Rantcatrat]

How bout that Marquez had to jump up two weight classes just for Floyd to not even attempt to make weight and just paid the fine. Floyd is not the same size of Marquez or Pac ( who are both small at 147). Dont be so quick to discredit Pacs win against Oscar cause he had to go down but praise Floyd for making Marquez move up two. Plus dont forget that Pac jumped up two weight classes to fight de la Hoya it was a big risk for him too.

Floyd not making weight was unprofessional for sure. He only missed it by two pounds but still unprofessional.

But Marquez also jumped 2 divisions to fight Pac at 147 too, and beat his ass twice, so how is it different? The JMM who fought Floyd at WW was the exact same size as the JMM who fought Pac at WW (and was two years younger as well).

Timeline
In February 2009, JMM fought at 135 against Juan Diaz.

By 2009, Floyd had already fought as high as 154 and consistently had fought at 147 for a number of years.

In September 2009, Floyd fought JMM at a contracted weight of ten pounds heavier than JMM's last fight, at 145, and Floyd came in at 147 (by the way, not just unprofessional, also the small welterweight idea is put to rest or he would have come in at 145 if that were the case, as contracted- why pay $200,000 to come in 2 pounds higher if you're better at a lesser weight?), 12 pounds heavier than JMM's last fight. JMM jumped two weight classes to face Floyd.

In 2010, JMM went back down to lightweight to face Juan Diaz and Kastidis. 135.

In July 2011, he moves up in weight to face Likar Ramos at 140.

In November 2011, he moves up in weight again to face Pacquiao at 144 and comes in only 2 pounds heavier than his last fight. Barelly any fluctuation in weight between fights and it's been 1 year since he last fought at lightweight.

Therefore, he only moved up 4 pounds to face Pacquiao from his previous fight and fought him at almost the same weight he was in his fight before against Ramos. He also had one year to get comfortable fighting at 142 and had done it successfully against Ramos too.

For Floyd, he moved up 10 pounds from his fight before, and then faced Floyd at a 12 pounds difference.

After facing Pacquiao and losing in 2011, he fought a Russian at 140 and then went up only 2 pounds again to face Pacquiao for a fight at 147.

Bottom line: in the times he faced Pacquiao he didn't move around much in weight. His weight stayed stable, around the same before and after. When he faced Floyd he had moved up 10 pounds from his last fight and jumped two weight classes. Take that for whatever it is worth.

And the eye test, Marquez physically was a much different fighter when he faced Floyd than when he faced Manny. There's a meme out there that shows an entirely different physical appearance from Marquez 2009 and 2012. It's actually quite remarkable.

[Rantcatrat]

How bout that Marquez had to jump up two weight classes just for Floyd to not even attempt to make weight and just paid the fine. Floyd is not the same size of Marquez or Pac ( who are both small at 147). Dont be so quick to discredit Pacs win against Oscar cause he had to go down but praise Floyd for making Marquez move up two. Plus dont forget that Pac jumped up two weight classes to fight de la Hoya it was a big risk for him too.

Floyd not making weight was unprofessional for sure. He only missed it by two pounds but still unprofessional.

But Marquez also jumped 2 divisions to fight Pac at 147 too, and beat his ass twice, so how is it different? The JMM who fought Floyd at WW was the exact same size as the JMM who fought Pac at WW (and was two years younger as well).

And Floyd is a small 147lber. On fight night he is consistently outweighed by 10-20lbs by his opponents.

With respect to Hatton, I'm not sure which win I rank higher. Floyd beat him at 147 after Hatton had struggled with Collazo at that weight and at a weight class where I don't think Hatton was at his best. Manny beat Hatton at Hatton's best weight, BUT he beat him after Floyd beat him. Still Hatton had stopped Malignaggi in between Floyd beating him and Manny facing him at 140. Considering the devastating fashion that Manny beat him, and that Floyd lost a few rounds to Hatton in their match, all in all, it's close but I probably lean toward Manny's win over Hatton being ranked higher. Close though.

For Cotto, it's also close for me. No matter his win over Sergio recently, I've always considered Cotto best at welterweight and in the 2007/2008 ish years. I can't forget that Cotto literally lost every round against Austin Trout at 154. Manny got to Cotto first before Floyd and close to Cotto's prime. But, Manny got to Cotto after Margarito did his number on him and for what it's worth so did Floyd. Manny stopped Cotto and Floyd had a bit of trouble with Cotto. Again, probably lean Manny, but it's close.