the end of the world

[SlimTrae]

I think my convo-argument with my brother yesterday-carried into this forum My bad.
However, your final post we are in total agreement!

[walrus]

And Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Khmer rouge, and so many others killed under there own brand of atheism. Chairman Mao alone killed more people than Hitler and Stalin combined. An estimated eighty million of his own people. He killed more in his short time in history than Religion did in thousands of years.

[SlimTrae]

Peole kill for all kinds of reasons, but to use a tit-for tat as a reason to NOT discuss why religous people do it doesn't make much sense to me.

And I wouldn't say that those guys-killed more than all religions or books put together----unless you know about the Koran, Mahabarata, Epic of Giglamesh, Septuagint, there are way too many reilgious texts that have led to deaths in the name of their gods, to even try to make a tally. You are talking modern times and historic times have long covered their attrocities.

Once again its usually the religous who talk of end times, talk of their piousness, then when questioned about it; most will use a... well someone else does it.

But since those of Stalin to Chaka Zulu have killed, there was no moral justification for their killings.

Nor do they speak of end times as if they have some inside scoop from the maker above.

The very books that claim no one knows the end times, have readers who claim to know.
The very books that claim to have the blueprint for righteous living seem to have the most unrighteous people heading them.
Killings weren't the topic, but an example of those who claim end times, are the same ones who kill in the name of their god, what exuse do they have for that?

[Andre]

And Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Khmer rouge, and so many others killed under there own brand of atheism. Chairman Mao alone killed more people than Hitler and Stalin combined. An estimated eighty million of his own people. He killed more in his short time in history than Religion did in thousands of years.

This is the take sides thing. Taking sides is a human trait to make your own side seem better or justifiable against another.

All the shit mentioned above in all the threads has been done by humans to other humans.

In whatever name.

Thats the raw truth is; Humans do unspeakable evil to other humans in not their own name but using others names and beliefs to do these acts on behalf of = False justification. (Including their,in country and in Gods name).

None of it proves or disproves an energetic loving God is behind the material goop you call you or them, it doesnt prove or dis prove a Jealous Lord God 'Male only energy' who supposedly protects only his own either.

I dont think any of the extremes or sides of duality if you chose to be within them or think out to the furthermost points, mentally prove anything to anyone else who is also working within them.

[Andre]

For the record Im God loving, not God fearing, and I am anti religious.

[SlimTrae]

For the record Im God loving, not God fearing, and I am anti religious.

I wouldn't doubt it one bit.

But ya' had to have had a good laugh on the youtube clip!

[Andre]

For the record Im God loving, not God fearing, and I am anti religious.

I wouldn't doubt it one bit.

But ya' had to have had a good laugh on the youtube clip!

Yeah its great .

I recon the trouble occurred when the alchemists,the astronomers and high priest in the ancient worlds all realized that everything is connected by an un seen energy that literally moves through everything a vibration ~ sound etc manifesting material out of love and light energies.

They had to put it in human terms to educate the dumb humans in terms they may understand at the time. Like father,mother,son etc.Its was the only way,you could not talk sacred geometry to them.

I think you will find the real ancients knew more than the latter period rulers were ever letting on, when mankind had a dumbing down of the masses by the later rulers everything went excuse the term (to the devil).

The burning of the Library of Alexandria was a massive turning point there. Rome also liked to destroy all prior knowledge before it and latter even took over a loving forgiving religion and started persecuting those within it; then made all their own rules up after taking it over by force. Then through fear and judgment went about destroying the unconditional forgiveness and love message that was meant to be passed through to all mankind.

They Rome ,removed all Christian scripture that states reincarnation. They want you to think you have only one shot at this (so they have control over their masses and cash and lands on your departure) but what they tell you, is not true.

[walrus]

I was not making a tit for tat statement or trying to say everyone does it, simply replying to the thread in my own way. I can only really speak on Catholicism, I have read much on other religions but I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to point out much of their historical wrongs. I am not blind to the fact that faith I practice had lost its way at points throughout history however, that seems to be what people who are not Catholic focus on. The Catholic Church is the largest provider of humanitarian services in the world. It has brought us many great people, St. Augustin of Hippo, Theresa of Calcutta and many others who sacrificed their lives to try to improve things as best they could. Over its 2000 year history I believe the Church has brought us more beauty than fault. Those who committed crimes were not practicing the faith and had strayed from its teachings. I was just saying many people think religion has been the greatest force of harm in history, I don't believe that to be true.

Being the official Saddo Spiritual leader I have great respect for all religions and don't look at any of them as bad, even Bahai, I also maintain respect for the atheists as they themselves have their own religion. Religion, simply put, is any system of belief. Thank you, peace and all good things.

[walrus]

For the record Im God loving, not God fearing, and I am anti religious.

I wouldn't doubt it one bit.

But ya' had to have had a good laugh on the youtube clip!

Yeah its great .

I recon the trouble occurred when the alchemists,the astronomers and high priest in the ancient worlds all realized that everything is connected by an un seen energy that literally moves through everything a vibration ~ sound etc manifesting material out of love and light energies.

They had to put it in human terms to educate the dumb humans in terms they may understand at the time. Like father,mother,son etc.Its was the only way,you could not talk sacred geometry to them.

I think you will find the real ancients knew more than the latter period rulers were ever letting on, when mankind had a dumbing down of the masses by the later rulers everything went excuse the term (to the devil).

The burning of the Library of Alexandria was a massive turning point there. Rome also liked to destroy all prior knowledge before it and latter even took over a loving forgiving religion and started persecuting those within it; then made all their own rules up after taking it over by force. Then through fear and judgment went about destroying the unconditional forgiveness and love message that was meant to be passed through to all mankind.

They Rome ,removed all Christian scripture that states reincarnation. They want you to think you have only one shot at this (so they have control over their masses and cash and lands on your departure) but what they tell you, is not true.

I find it absolutely astonishing how the Egyptians, Celts, Mayans and many other early cultures developed such accurate astronomy. The Mayans could Calender astronomical events that came about once every twenty thousand years. Stonehenge and the pyramids are such accurate calendars it leaves me in awe. I can't even figure out which way is north if I'm walking around.

[pacfan]

For the record Im God loving, not God fearing, and I am anti religious.

...and of course, there is no such thing as god of wrath. Wrath, hatred is human emotion, a bestial one at that. How can God act like a beast...

[pacfan]

I think my convo-argument with my brother yesterday-carried into this forum My bad.
However, your final post we are in total agreement!

C'mon Mr.SlimT, you are just being kind, lol. I understand how tiring it is to discuss theism and atheism when either side haven't got much evidence to support its claim but stubbornly try to support his claim. So I usually don't engage in discussion with atheists but when I saw your post, I thought you were a reasonably sensible guy so I decided to reply to your post - and take that as a compliment.

And Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Khmer rouge, and so many others killed under there own brand of atheism. Chairman Mao alone killed more people than Hitler and Stalin combined. An estimated eighty million of his own people. He killed more in his short time in history than Religion did in thousands of years.

...and Cambodian despot Pol Pot. What's ironical is that some of their adherents consider them their Gods.

Peole kill for all kinds of reasons, but to use a tit-for tat as a reason to NOT discuss why religous people do it doesn't make much sense to me.

And I wouldn't say that those guys-killed more than all religions or books put together----unless you know about the Koran, Mahabarata, Epic of Giglamesh, Septuagint, there are way too many reilgious texts that have led to deaths in the name of their gods, to even try to make a tally. You are talking modern times and historic times have long covered their attrocities.

Once again its usually the religous who talk of end times, talk of their piousness, then when questioned about it; most will use a... well someone else does it.

But since those of Stalin to Chaka Zulu have killed, there was no moral justification for their killings.

Nor do they speak of end times as if they have some inside scoop from the maker above.

The very books that claim no one knows the end times, have readers who claim to know.
The very books that claim to have the blueprint for righteous living seem to have the most unrighteous people heading them.
Killings weren't the topic, but an example of those who claim end times, are the same ones who kill in the name of their god, what exuse do they have for that?

I agree, and during much earlier times, Christians (and I'm a Christian though more nominal than real) used to do that and they even used to burn infidels on stake! They did that to one young lady and made her a saint later. Unlike God, religion and people are fallible, except perhaps one fella who call himself KirklandL (yo, ol' buddy).

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I was born into a Catholic family but has never been particularly that religious. I just couldn't bring myself to believe some biblical passages, like the story of Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit. So I'm pretty relieved to know that the Catholic leaders have suggested that bible doesn't have to be interpreted literally, or it can be interpreted allegorically. That gives us much more latitude to see bible in different light. For example, my interpretation of the Adam and Eve's fruit of knowledge of good and evil is that when somewhere up the evolution when man acquired consciousness, and conscience, the sense of right and wrong, that's where trouble started because now man had to deal with constant sense of guilt, which many psychologists say is the source of man's many suffering, sometimes even physical ones. That's probably the reason why the bible empahsizes repentance - relieve man of his guilt and set him free... Of course that's just my opinion.