Floyd's competition vs Manny's competition

[mikeeod]

Floyd Mayweather is not greater than Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, Hearns, Roy Jones from the modern era.

I have to respectfully disagree with Hearns and Roy Jones. For me Roy is behind Floyd, Manny, Hop, Tito, Evander, Hagler and the others you named.

[Master]

Floyd Mayweather is not greater than Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, Hearns, Roy Jones from the modern era.

I have to respectfully disagree with Hearns and Roy Jones. For me Roy is behind Floyd, Manny, Hop, Tito, Evander, Hagler and the others you named.

Hearns won titles at multiple weights and entertained.

Roy Jones dominated 3 weights (beating Hopkins and Toney) and won a title at heavy.

[mikeeod]

Floyd Mayweather is not greater than Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, Hearns, Roy Jones from the modern era.

I have to respectfully disagree with Hearns and Roy Jones. For me Roy is behind Floyd, Manny, Hop, Tito, Evander, Hagler and the others you named.

Hearns won titles at multiple weights and entertained.

Roy Jones dominated 3 weights (beating Hopkins and Toney) and won a title at heavy.

Never cleaned out one weight he was in and Toney was the only p4p ranked guy he beat. While I give Floyd credit for his comp, Roy is the epitome of a guy who missed most of his significant threats. He had a great career and was a phenom, but his level of competition was a joke. I place Oscar and Tito above him historically.

[Master]

Floyd Mayweather is not greater than Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, Hearns, Roy Jones from the modern era.

I have to respectfully disagree with Hearns and Roy Jones. For me Roy is behind Floyd, Manny, Hop, Tito, Evander, Hagler and the others you named.

Hearns won titles at multiple weights and entertained.

Roy Jones dominated 3 weights (beating Hopkins and Toney) and won a title at heavy.

Never cleaned out one weight he was in and Toney was the only p4p ranked guy he beat. While I give Floyd credit for his comp, Roy is the epitome of a guy who missed most of his significant threats. He had a great career and was a phenom, but his level of competition was a joke. I place Oscar and Tito above him historically.

Shame on you for posting such a thing. I will not go into Oscar who had the bottle to take on all comers and Tito who had brutal power at 2 weights but Jones was the man and even you know that Benn, Eubank, Dariusz and others did not stand a chance.

[mikeeod]

Floyd Mayweather is not greater than Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, Hearns, Roy Jones from the modern era.

I have to respectfully disagree with Hearns and Roy Jones. For me Roy is behind Floyd, Manny, Hop, Tito, Evander, Hagler and the others you named.

Hearns won titles at multiple weights and entertained.

Roy Jones dominated 3 weights (beating Hopkins and Toney) and won a title at heavy.

Never cleaned out one weight he was in and Toney was the only p4p ranked guy he beat. While I give Floyd credit for his comp, Roy is the epitome of a guy who missed most of his significant threats. He had a great career and was a phenom, but his level of competition was a joke. I place Oscar and Tito above him historically.

Shame on you for posting such a thing. I will not go into Oscar who had the bottle to take on all comers and Tito who had brutal power at 2 weights but Jones was the man and even you know that Benn, Eubank, Dariusz and others did not stand a chance.

Any pro fighter has a chance. I was sure G-Man would destroy Benn. I was certain that Tyson was going to chew Douglas up and spit him out. I had no doubt that Leonard would leave the ring on a stretcher after fighting Hagler ( thought he lost that one, but was still shocked to see him last the distance). Roy was a phenom and on his best night I think he is even money with anyone in history. Still have to prove it in the ring...

[Master]

Floyd Mayweather is not greater than Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, Hearns, Roy Jones from the modern era.

I have to respectfully disagree with Hearns and Roy Jones. For me Roy is behind Floyd, Manny, Hop, Tito, Evander, Hagler and the others you named.

Hearns won titles at multiple weights and entertained.

Roy Jones dominated 3 weights (beating Hopkins and Toney) and won a title at heavy.

Never cleaned out one weight he was in and Toney was the only p4p ranked guy he beat. While I give Floyd credit for his comp, Roy is the epitome of a guy who missed most of his significant threats. He had a great career and was a phenom, but his level of competition was a joke. I place Oscar and Tito above him historically.

Shame on you for posting such a thing. I will not go into Oscar who had the bottle to take on all comers and Tito who had brutal power at 2 weights but Jones was the man and even you know that Benn, Eubank, Dariusz and others did not stand a chance.

Any pro fighter has a chance. I was sure G-Man would destroy Benn. I was certain that Tyson was going to chew Douglas up and spit him out. I had no doubt that Leonard would leave the ring on a stretcher after fighting Hagler ( thought he lost that one, but was still shocked to see him last the distance). Roy was a phenom and on his best night I think he is even money with anyone in history. Still have to prove it in the ring...

You could say the same with most fighters in history that they did not fight particular fighters.

[mikeeod]

Floyd Mayweather is not greater than Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, Hearns, Roy Jones from the modern era.

I have to respectfully disagree with Hearns and Roy Jones. For me Roy is behind Floyd, Manny, Hop, Tito, Evander, Hagler and the others you named.

Hearns won titles at multiple weights and entertained.

Roy Jones dominated 3 weights (beating Hopkins and Toney) and won a title at heavy.

Never cleaned out one weight he was in and Toney was the only p4p ranked guy he beat. While I give Floyd credit for his comp, Roy is the epitome of a guy who missed most of his significant threats. He had a great career and was a phenom, but his level of competition was a joke. I place Oscar and Tito above him historically.

Shame on you for posting such a thing. I will not go into Oscar who had the bottle to take on all comers and Tito who had brutal power at 2 weights but Jones was the man and even you know that Benn, Eubank, Dariusz and others did not stand a chance.

Any pro fighter has a chance. I was sure G-Man would destroy Benn. I was certain that Tyson was going to chew Douglas up and spit him out. I had no doubt that Leonard would leave the ring on a stretcher after fighting Hagler ( thought he lost that one, but was still shocked to see him last the distance). Roy was a phenom and on his best night I think he is even money with anyone in history. Still have to prove it in the ring...

You could say the same with most fighters in history that they did not fight particular fighters.

Not NEARLY as many as Roy. Not even close. U can say Oscar avoided Winky n Vernon, maybe Tszyu. He fought Quartey, Whitaker, Tito, Mosley, Hop, Vargas and Chavez. Whoever says Floyd sucked anyone is an idiot. U can say Leonard never fought Pryor. Leonard fought Duran, Benitez, Hearns and Hagler.

Roy didn't fight Benn, Eubank, Collins, Liles, Darius, G-Man, Julian Jackson, Graciano and/or Nunn. The only prime P4P great fighter Roy beat was Toney.

[imp]

They said a tall dangerous fighter like corrales would beat floyd at the time...but guess what happened?

Duran over floyd?..come on!?

[imp]

I love roy but he should have fought the best of the uk..clinton woods fight was just a sparring session and clinton was in love with roy in that fight!!

Roy did beat tarver the first time though and people do forget that..

[SlimTrae]

Whenever I read of todays fighters vs yesteryear, there IMO is usually a lopsided argument.

Guys like Floyd are scrutinized with a meticulous microscopic glass; but when we look at guys like SRR to Ali, serious; how many different styles were there for them to go up against?

Clay/Ali fought Patterson (But he was a CW @ best and on the downside was he not?)
Cleveland Williams-- but wasn't this after serious medical issues from Williams & on the downside?
Frazier never fought more than 40 times & retired- bounced like a ball by Foreman, so what made Frazier great? It damn sure wasn't longevity.
Norton? Dude won the title by vacancy and lost it to Ali's sparring partner in his first defence. He won a Spit decison with Cobb? really? and got his azz KO'd by Shavers & Cooney.
Foreman was in a death match with Ron Lyle (we enjoyed it,) but was that really an accomplishment? or just a good ass fight for us fans to remember? Jimmy Young outboxed him, dropped him:he quit. Forman saw the lord so he quit!

Yet history makes it seem like who Ali fought was great with (oh back in the day the greats all fought each other..)
Well there wasn't PPV- closed circuit hadn't come out, if it did, do we really expect they would have been different than today's fighters?

[SlimTrae]

Pt II

Ray leonared: in a dead tie with Benitez. He had to turn in a dog fight to win that. So then he goes after Duran in 1980... Ray lost his first title shot to a guy who didn't have a title.
Had been fighting since 1968 and his best days was at LW. Had Floyd lost his 1st title fight to Hernandez; wouldn't we be all over him about that?

Thomas Hearns who got beat by Pryor in the amatuers, outboxed Ray! Up on the scorecard and turned his eye a grayish color; Hearns was a KO artist..and outboxing Ray? Once again the dog came out and he stopped Hearns- not a round too soon. 2 more fights and Ray retired due to what he claimed were retina issues. So at this point what made SRL great?
Pryor challenged him- he moved UP in weight.
Great comeback fight against Haglar-when he felt Haglar was vulnerable after watching him goe to toe with Mugabi. & everybody started whoopin' Mugabi's ass after that. Even Duran took Haglar the distance. Duran was loooonnggg past his best days when he was a beast at LW.

Ray then got outboxed by Lalonde, so he had to break out a fight. Has another bout with a fat-chaloopa of Duran. Then an utter Bullshit draw with Hearns. Terry Norris whooped him all night long & Camacho stopped him damn.

Yet I hear how Ray would have outboxed Floyd. How? Duran may have said no mas & quit 2nd fight, but he damn sure wasnt out of the fight. So who did Ray (OUTBOX)?
The book called In the Corner- details the Petronelli brothers saying their man Haglar gave away the 1st 4 rounds and had to be motiviated to take the fight. And that's not negotiating on Ray's part? Negotiating the way we point out Floyd's? I agree, concede FLoyd is shrewd, but SRR wasn't? SRL wasn't?

SRR- didnt he say he was too pretty to fight Burley? Only fought Gavilan a 2nd time because spectators claimed he lost the 1st one..then went on to fight Ragin Bulls 5 times? why?
Seems like that black man didn't want to fight his own brothers, so where was the various styles he took on? He fought white guys who were straight ahead brawlers, flatfooted, powerful & predictable.

Floyd's competition over the years has been more versatile than anyone I can think of, but I do concede he wanted nothing to do with the long rangy PW or AM...while Pacman's competition once again seemed dominated by contractual obligations of catchweights.

Final note RIP Manny Steward- I sat front seat at the Canastota Boxing Hall of fame when he said: Ray Robinson's handlers didn't want him fighting rangy fighters with jabs, thats why he had so many fights with the same people-especially toward the end of his career.

[SlimTrae]

last one: With Murad Muhhamad I think Pac would have taken on all comers, but with Arum it was more strategic to inhouse.