the end of the world

[pacfan]

I think my convo-argument with my brother yesterday-carried into this forum My bad.
However, your final post we are in total agreement!

C'mon Mr.SlimT, you are just being kind, lol. I understand how tiring it is to discuss theism and atheism when either side haven't got much evidence to support its claim but stubbornly try to support his claim. So I usually don't engage in discussion with atheists but when I saw your post, I thought you were a reasonably sensible guy so I decided to reply to your post - and take that as a compliment.

And Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Khmer rouge, and so many others killed under there own brand of atheism. Chairman Mao alone killed more people than Hitler and Stalin combined. An estimated eighty million of his own people. He killed more in his short time in history than Religion did in thousands of years.

...and Cambodian despot Pol Pot. What's ironical is that some of their adherents consider them their Gods.

Peole kill for all kinds of reasons, but to use a tit-for tat as a reason to NOT discuss why religous people do it doesn't make much sense to me.

And I wouldn't say that those guys-killed more than all religions or books put together----unless you know about the Koran, Mahabarata, Epic of Giglamesh, Septuagint, there are way too many reilgious texts that have led to deaths in the name of their gods, to even try to make a tally. You are talking modern times and historic times have long covered their attrocities.

Once again its usually the religous who talk of end times, talk of their piousness, then when questioned about it; most will use a... well someone else does it.

But since those of Stalin to Chaka Zulu have killed, there was no moral justification for their killings.

Nor do they speak of end times as if they have some inside scoop from the maker above.

The very books that claim no one knows the end times, have readers who claim to know.
The very books that claim to have the blueprint for righteous living seem to have the most unrighteous people heading them.
Killings weren't the topic, but an example of those who claim end times, are the same ones who kill in the name of their god, what exuse do they have for that?

I agree, and during much earlier times, Christians (and I'm a Christian though more nominal than real) used to do that and they even used to burn infidels on stake! They did that to one young lady and made her a saint later. Unlike God, religion and people are fallible, except perhaps one fella who call himself KirklandL (yo, ol' buddy).

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I was born into a Catholic family but has never been particularly that religious. I just couldn't bring myself to believe some biblical passages, like the story of Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit. So I'm pretty relieved to know that the Catholic leaders have suggested that bible doesn't have to be interpreted literally, or it can be interpreted allegorically. That gives us much more latitude to see bible in different light. For example, my interpretation of the Adam and Eve's fruit of knowledge of good and evil is that when somewhere up the evolution when man acquired consciousness, and conscience, the sense of right and wrong, that's where trouble started because now man had to deal with constant sense of guilt, which many psychologists say is the source of man's many suffering, sometimes even physical ones. That's probably the reason why the bible empahsizes repentance - relieve man of his guilt and set him free... Of course that's just my opinion.