Floyd's competition vs Manny's competition

[mikeeod]

Floyd Mayweather is not greater than Leonard, Duran, Whitaker, Hearns, Roy Jones from the modern era.

I have to respectfully disagree with Hearns and Roy Jones. For me Roy is behind Floyd, Manny, Hop, Tito, Evander, Hagler and the others you named.

Hearns won titles at multiple weights and entertained.

Roy Jones dominated 3 weights (beating Hopkins and Toney) and won a title at heavy.

Never cleaned out one weight he was in and Toney was the only p4p ranked guy he beat. While I give Floyd credit for his comp, Roy is the epitome of a guy who missed most of his significant threats. He had a great career and was a phenom, but his level of competition was a joke. I place Oscar and Tito above him historically.

Shame on you for posting such a thing. I will not go into Oscar who had the bottle to take on all comers and Tito who had brutal power at 2 weights but Jones was the man and even you know that Benn, Eubank, Dariusz and others did not stand a chance.

Any pro fighter has a chance. I was sure G-Man would destroy Benn. I was certain that Tyson was going to chew Douglas up and spit him out. I had no doubt that Leonard would leave the ring on a stretcher after fighting Hagler ( thought he lost that one, but was still shocked to see him last the distance). Roy was a phenom and on his best night I think he is even money with anyone in history. Still have to prove it in the ring...

You could say the same with most fighters in history that they did not fight particular fighters.

Not NEARLY as many as Roy. Not even close. U can say Oscar avoided Winky n Vernon, maybe Tszyu. He fought Quartey, Whitaker, Tito, Mosley, Hop, Vargas and Chavez. Whoever says Floyd sucked anyone is an idiot. U can say Leonard never fought Pryor. Leonard fought Duran, Benitez, Hearns and Hagler.

Roy didn't fight Benn, Eubank, Collins, Liles, Darius, G-Man, Julian Jackson, Graciano and/or Nunn. The only prime P4P great fighter Roy beat was Toney.

[Master]

Oscar lost big fights.

Floyd ducked Manny.

Roy did not duck those fighters they ducked him.

[mikeeod]

Oscar lost big fights.

Floyd ducked Manny.

Roy did not duck those fighters they ducked him.

Roy was supposedly, according to Roy, very good friends with G-Man. After Benn ended his career, how could he find a reason to NOT fight him? Steve Collins called Roy out repeatedly after beating Eubank and Benn. Doubt Collins was ducking Roy. Darius called Roy out constantly. Roy was the name at that weight and a win over him makes any of those guys a superstar.
NO ONE was ducking Roy. It's why they called him Reluctant Roy and created the Roycott.

[imp]

Oscar lost big fights.

Floyd ducked Manny.

Roy did not duck those fighters they ducked him.

Roy was supposedly, according to Roy, very good friends with G-Man. After Benn ended his career, how could he find a reason to NOT fight him? Steve Collins called Roy out repeatedly after beating Eubank and Benn. Doubt Collins was ducking Roy. Darius called Roy out constantly. Roy was the name at that weight and a win over him makes any of those guys a superstar.
NO ONE was ducking Roy. It's why they called him Reluctant Roy and created the Roycott.

Collins ducked calzaghe..

All this ducking talk seems to suit every individual boxing fans needs.

[Master]

Oscar lost big fights.

Floyd ducked Manny.

Roy did not duck those fighters they ducked him.

Roy was supposedly, according to Roy, very good friends with G-Man. After Benn ended his career, how could he find a reason to NOT fight him? Steve Collins called Roy out repeatedly after beating Eubank and Benn. Doubt Collins was ducking Roy. Darius called Roy out constantly. Roy was the name at that weight and a win over him makes any of those guys a superstar.
NO ONE was ducking Roy. It's why they called him Reluctant Roy and created the Roycott.

Collins ducked calzaghe..

All this ducking talk seems to suit every individual boxing fans needs.

Dariuz should have come to Roy if he wanted the fight instead of losing to some one Roy had beat. Benn was finished after the G Man fight and cashed in on some easy defences before losing the title to someone who Roy had beat.

Collins is not even worth discussing.

[mikeeod]

Oscar lost big fights.

Floyd ducked Manny.

Roy did not duck those fighters they ducked him.

Roy was supposedly, according to Roy, very good friends with G-Man. After Benn ended his career, how could he find a reason to NOT fight him? Steve Collins called Roy out repeatedly after beating Eubank and Benn. Doubt Collins was ducking Roy. Darius called Roy out constantly. Roy was the name at that weight and a win over him makes any of those guys a superstar.
NO ONE was ducking Roy. It's why they called him Reluctant Roy and created the Roycott.

Collins ducked calzaghe..

All this ducking talk seems to suit every individual boxing fans needs.

Dariuz should have come to Roy if he wanted the fight instead of losing to some one Roy had beat. Benn was finished after the G Man fight and cashed in on some easy defences before losing the title to someone who Roy had beat.

Collins is not even worth discussing.

Huh. So you're saying that Collins was so bad that he shouldn't even be mentioned as a possible opponent for Roy, but Vinny Paz, Tony Thornton and Antoine Byrd were?!? Roy fought Vinny Paz. Former lightweight title holder. The guy who was humiliated by Hector Camacho. You're telling me Steve Collins wasn't worthy but Paz was?!? You can't even say that with a straight face. When guys try to say Floyd ducked everyone, I disagree and don't take it seriously. When they say Roy ducked people, I agree wholeheartedly. Roy missed too many big fights vs real competition during his prime. Once he lost his abilities he then tried to fight the best to stay relevant but it was too late.

[Master]

Oscar lost big fights.

Floyd ducked Manny.

Roy did not duck those fighters they ducked him.

Roy was supposedly, according to Roy, very good friends with G-Man. After Benn ended his career, how could he find a reason to NOT fight him? Steve Collins called Roy out repeatedly after beating Eubank and Benn. Doubt Collins was ducking Roy. Darius called Roy out constantly. Roy was the name at that weight and a win over him makes any of those guys a superstar.
NO ONE was ducking Roy. It's why they called him Reluctant Roy and created the Roycott.

Collins ducked calzaghe..

All this ducking talk seems to suit every individual boxing fans needs.

Dariuz should have come to Roy if he wanted the fight instead of losing to some one Roy had beat. Benn was finished after the G Man fight and cashed in on some easy defences before losing the title to someone who Roy had beat.

Collins is not even worth discussing.

Huh. So you're saying that Collins was so bad that he shouldn't even be mentioned as a possible opponent for Roy, but Vinny Paz, Tony Thornton and Antoine Byrd were?!? Roy fought Vinny Paz. Former lightweight title holder. The guy who was humiliated by Hector Camacho. You're telling me Steve Collins wasn't worthy but Paz was?!? You can't even say that with a straight face. When guys try to say Floyd ducked everyone, I disagree and don't take it seriously. When they say Roy ducked people, I agree wholeheartedly. Roy missed too many big fights vs real competition during his prime. Once he lost his abilities he then tried to fight the best to stay relevant but it was too late.

Collins had just beaten a shopworn Eubanks and was cashing in the title after failing to beat anyone decent in the USA.