Comparing Floyd and Bhop's opposition

[powerpuncher]

Again, we can nitpick all we want but I say that the only fighter that bhop faced that was clearly better than any of Floyd's opponents was Jones. I thnk that the rest aren't that different. For example, I don't think the calzaghe fight is any better or worse than Floyd's fight with Oscar. Or I don't think Floyd's fight with canelo is any better than bhops win over pavlik.

Like I said before, I believe that Bhop gets a lot of credit for certain wins because he was old rather than his opponent being great. For example, if he were younger and got a draw against Pascal, it would have been seen as Bhop failing. So he has been in a win win situation for the past 10 years because when he wins its incredible because he's so old but when he loses its alright because he's old.

Basically, longevity helps your case but I feel that Floyd is enough above Bhop in boxing ability that longevity alone doesn't push him past him. I think that Bhop utililzed his talents more efficiently than Floyd but Floyd's talent level was just too high to catch him on greatness. I think that Bhop is a top 5 fighter from the last 2 decades but Floyd is #1 and there's no shame in saying that Floyd is better than you.

[ruthless rocco]

Bernard was such a dirty cheater.
How can people seriously think that a guy who broke as many rules as possible in almost every fight he was in could be considered better than a guy who is a boxing genius who fought within the rules?
It's ridiculous that this is even a discussion!
It's all about age. You old people need Bernard in order to feel relevant in a world that's passing you by.

[La Cucaracha]

When was the last time Floyd was in a fight where he wasn't the overwhelming favorite

[Beanflicker]

When was the last time Floyd was in a fight where he wasn't the overwhelming favorite

When you've been the #1 p4p in the sport for nearly 10 years, and you've gone 18 years in boxing without taking a loss, bookies will generally put you as the favourite.

[Silkeyjoe]

When was the last time Floyd was in a fight where he wasn't the overwhelming favorite

When you've been the #1 p4p in the sport for nearly 10 years, and you've gone 18 years in boxing without taking a loss, bookies will generally put you as the favourite.

True but there are fights where he wouldnt be as strong a fav as usual but he wont take them. He would have been 4/7 - 4/6 a few years ago against Pac. Hed be a similar price against GGG. I doubt hed be much shorter than 1/3 v Thurman. He'll be about 1/4 v Khan which will be his biggest price for a long time. He did go off around 2/5 v Canelo but that was due to flood of Money on Canelo. THe bookies had him open around 1/5. Instead of Khan he took Maidana twice where he was 1/16 in the 1st and 1/10 in the 2nd.

Again Beans he is a great fighter and an ATG but I dont see how you can suggest he has fought the best possible opponents in their primes which is my only criticism of him. I know this is the case with lots of other fighters in history but most of the other ATGs have that big win that keeps them ahead of Floyd in my rankings.

I am a floyd hater. Id love to see him lose. But Ive never criticised his boxing ability and hes definitely the best fighter of my generation.

[Beanflicker]

True but there are fights where he wouldnt be as strong a fav as usual but he wont take them. He would have been 4/7 - 4/6 a few years ago against Pac. Hed be a similar price against GGG. I doubt hed be much shorter than 1/3 v Thurman. He'll be about 1/4 v Khan which will be his biggest price for a long time. He did go off around 2/5 v Canelo but that was due to flood of Money on Canelo. THe bookies had him open around 1/5. Instead of Khan he took Maidana twice where he was 1/16 in the 1st and 1/10 in the 2nd.

Again Beans he is a great fighter and an ATG but I dont see how you can suggest he has fought the best possible opponents in their primes which is my only criticism of him. I know this is the case with lots of other fighters in history but most of the other ATGs have that big win that keeps them ahead of Floyd in my rankings.

I am a floyd hater. Id love to see him lose. But Ive never criticised his boxing ability and hes definitely the best fighter of my generation.

You tell me a guy he didn't fight in their prime and I'll give you evidence of Floyd calling them out or trying to make the fight happen. Not my opinion or a guess, but real evidence.

[Silkeyjoe]

True but there are fights where he wouldnt be as strong a fav as usual but he wont take them. He would have been 4/7 - 4/6 a few years ago against Pac. Hed be a similar price against GGG. I doubt hed be much shorter than 1/3 v Thurman. He'll be about 1/4 v Khan which will be his biggest price for a long time. He did go off around 2/5 v Canelo but that was due to flood of Money on Canelo. THe bookies had him open around 1/5. Instead of Khan he took Maidana twice where he was 1/16 in the 1st and 1/10 in the 2nd.

Again Beans he is a great fighter and an ATG but I dont see how you can suggest he has fought the best possible opponents in their primes which is my only criticism of him. I know this is the case with lots of other fighters in history but most of the other ATGs have that big win that keeps them ahead of Floyd in my rankings.

I am a floyd hater. Id love to see him lose. But Ive never criticised his boxing ability and hes definitely the best fighter of my generation.

You tell me a guy he didn't fight in their prime and I'll give you evidence of Floyd calling them out or trying to make the fight happen. Not my opinion or a guess, but real evidence.

im not saying he ducked anyone Im just saying he hasnt fought an elite fighter in their prime. Some will argue Canelo but I dont think hes elite, id argue his best is still yet to come, and it was at a catchweight where he was weakened.

Also if he really wanted the Manny fight I know he could have made it happen. Im not saying he ducked him as there are fair demands he made that Manny wouldnt do but I believe if he really wanted it would have happened

[La Cucaracha]

When was the last time Floyd was in a fight where he wasn't the overwhelming favorite

When you've been the #1 p4p in the sport for nearly 10 years, and you've gone 18 years in boxing without taking a loss, bookies will generally put you as the favourite.

I think if he signed to fight Golovkin next the odds would be close when he was supposed to fight Wright I think it would have been close when Martinez was chasing Floyd and Pac after destroying Williams would have been another challenge

Calling someone out and actually fighting them are not the same thing I'll call you out right now but it don't mean sh-t until we actually fight

[Master]

Bernard was such a dirty cheater.
How can people seriously think that a guy who broke as many rules as possible in almost every fight he was in could be considered better than a guy who is a boxing genius who fought within the rules?
It's ridiculous that this is even a discussion!
It's all about age. You old people need Bernard in order to feel relevant in a world that's passing you by.

I hope Floyd's little finger is OK after being bitten by Maidana.

[Andre]

Bernard was such a dirty cheater.
How can people seriously think that a guy who broke as many rules as possible in almost every fight he was in could be considered better than a guy who is a boxing genius who fought within the rules?
It's ridiculous that this is even a discussion!
It's all about age. You old people need Bernard in order to feel relevant in a world that's passing you by.

Dirty low shot there, (who are you BHop?)

Plenty of us old guys in here as you put it, are more with Floyd on this one.

Trouble is people like to run off into extremes trying to prove a piece.
Both are great, both have steered their way through to a degree, one more than the other, but that one has more more ring skill,so it all evens its self out.