Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweather?

[SlimTrae]

Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.

Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...

True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.

Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;

But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.

Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.

true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero

he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.

I just name a few, but you put it out there like its' supposed to be.

[SlimTrae]

Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.

Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...

True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.

Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;

But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.

Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.

true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero

he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.

lets take the floyd hating down a notch

no hating, just stating facts, 8 out of 10 times he'll fight someone safe rather than a real challenge, IMO the two times where he really took a risk was Canelo and Cotto, everything else has pretty much safe, he's constantly picked the less meaningful fight despite having at one point two stacked divisions at his disposal

While I agree, he seems to choose certain styles, I don't think Floyd is afraid by any means. Bar Pac - he wouldn't choose the latter fo $$$ reasons. But I admit I am baffled by his refusal to fight Pacman.

It's kind of a disgrace to see JMM, Bradley, Cotto, Rios all fight Pac without the test, & not a guy who has fought at 154lbs with skills and talent up the wazoo.

[powerpuncher]

Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.

Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...

True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.

Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;

But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.

Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.

true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero

he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.

lets take the floyd hating down a notch

no hating, just stating facts, 8 out of 10 times he'll fight someone safe rather than a real challenge, IMO the two times where he really took a risk was Canelo and Cotto, everything else has pretty much safe, he's constantly picked the less meaningful fight despite having at one point two stacked divisions at his disposal

Other than Pac, anybody who Floyd chooses to fight will be disputed. You can say that he should have fought other fighters instead of the ones he fought but then it could easily be said that he ducked them. As long as he's not fighting people like Rios and algeri then I'm alright.

[Beanz]

Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.

Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...

True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.

Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;

But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.

Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.

true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero

he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.

lets take the floyd hating down a notch

no hating, just stating facts, 8 out of 10 times he'll fight someone safe rather than a real challenge, IMO the two times where he really took a risk was Canelo and Cotto, everything else has pretty much safe, he's constantly picked the less meaningful fight despite having at one point two stacked divisions at his disposal

Other than Pac, anybody who Floyd chooses to fight will be disputed. You can say that he should have fought other fighters instead of the ones he fought but then it could easily be said that he ducked them. As long as he's not fighting people like Rios and algeri then I'm alright.

Maidana and Guerrero are not so different from Rios and Algeri. People are always seeking to shut down debate where Floyd is concerned as though any remark or reflection on his legacy or choice of opponent is a slight. For some, and I am not talking about you, the hypersensitivity is very reaveling in and of its self. Barring Ali most greats have not declared themselves "The Best Ever", so scrutiny should be welcomed not forbidden. If his record is so stellar and his ability so unrivalled it should be obvious and above reproach. The guy is an undoubted Great but TBE is a whole other kettle of fish.

[powerpuncher]

in the past few years, i havent had a problem with floyds selection of opponents. they have all had at least a semi legitimate reason to get the shot. again, no matter what, people will always hate on his choice of opponents no matter who they are because there will always be somebody better that he could have fought.

[erics44]

how about this

in the next 20 years floyd will be remembered better, as in he was unbeatable at and around his weight

in 100 years it will be hopkins who will be remembered better

there will be more than one man who is at floyds level but will there ever be another hopkins

[ElTerribleMorales]

Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.

Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...

True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.

Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;

But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.

Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.

true, but Mayweather was blessed to have not one but TWO stacked divisions where he could have stacked his resume, yet he chose to fight guys like Ortiz, Maidana, Guerrero

he could have taken on Pacquiao, Garcia, Khan, Bradley, Kirkland, Trout, Lara, etc.

lets take the floyd hating down a notch

no hating, just stating facts, 8 out of 10 times he'll fight someone safe rather than a real challenge, IMO the two times where he really took a risk was Canelo and Cotto, everything else has pretty much safe, he's constantly picked the less meaningful fight despite having at one point two stacked divisions at his disposal

Other than Pac, anybody who Floyd chooses to fight will be disputed. You can say that he should have fought other fighters instead of the ones he fought but then it could easily be said that he ducked them. As long as he's not fighting people like Rios and algeri then I'm alright.

thing is Guerrero, Ortiz, and Maidana are all on that level of Rios and Algieri, the two standouts would be Maidana and Algieri seeing how both have/had come off big wins, Maidana-Broner and Algieri-Provodnikov, but yea Rios is on the same level as Guerrero and Ortiz, and it's not like I'm giving Pacquiao a standing ovation for those choices either

[powerpuncher]

Maidana is definitely not in the same boat as algeri. Algeri beat Provo. That's it. Maidana has fought and beat good fighters over the years. There's no comparison. And Rios had just come off a loss to Alvarado fighting Pac while guerrero had two solid wins to earn himself a shot. So no, the comparisons are not valid.

[Beanflicker]

Yeah, that really isn't a valid comparison at all. Anyone who compares Maidana and Guerrero to Rios and Algeiri are REALLY reaching, haha.

The Algeiri fight reminds me of Floyd's fight with Baldomir: both fights were opportunistic by Floyd and Manny, as you had an unknown and inferior fighter pull off a big upset and grab a title. On paper, both opponents had no chance.

The big difference is, at least Baldomir was the undisputed WW champion after beating Judah, making him technically ranked higher than Mayweather at WW at the time of the fight.

Algeiri managed to grab a trinket, but is far from the #1 140lber in the world, so technically even the Baldomir fight was better than this one.

[Beanflicker]

who are the legit P4P greats? A past it De La Hoya? A shot Mosely? A thrice beaten Cotto? All future P4P greats but certainly not dangerous fighters at the time they fought Floyd. Ive already explained why Kov is more dangerous then anyone Floyds faced.

A. He had a stellar amateur career and is a brilliant boxing technician.

B. He is one of the hardest hitters P4P

C. He is in his prime.

D. Hes a bigger man.

Most of Floyds opponents have some of the above but I cant find any where all is applicable.

Also I didnt know there was 2 weight classes between Light middle and middleweightbut I guess Im just a forum poster who says the dumbest shit

Yeah that is some pretty dumb shit.

For the record though, Mosley was #3 p4p at the time when Floyd fought him, below only Floyd himself and Pacquiao. He was also ranked, at that time, higher than he had been since losing back to back to Vernon Forrest.

[ruthless rocco]

thing is Guerrero, Ortiz, and Maidana are all on that level of Rios and Algieri, the two standouts would be Maidana and Algieri seeing how both have/had come off big wins, Maidana-Broner and Algieri-Provodnikov, but yea Rios is on the same level as Guerrero and Ortiz, and it's not like I'm giving Pacquiao a standing ovation for those choices either

HahahahaHA!

[Master]

Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.

[mikeeod]

Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.

How in the world can an undefeated, p4p #3 ranked Bradley be considered "poor opposition"? That is just crazy to suggest. Insane. Bradley is a much better win than ANYONE Floyd has beaten in YEARS. The bias and blinders that people have for Floyd is just insane.

[powerpuncher]

Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.

How in the world can an undefeated, p4p #3 ranked Bradley be considered "poor opposition"? That is just crazy to suggest. Insane. Bradley is a much better win than ANYONE Floyd has beaten in YEARS. The bias and blinders that people have for Floyd is just insane.

In his defense, when Pac fought Bradley the second time, he was not the #3 p4p guy in the world.

[mikeeod]

Manny has been knocked out brutally by JMM so has had easy fights to get him back. His opposition is poor since his defeat and there is no getting away from that. However he is the second best welterweight in the world so the fight with Floyd can still be made. Even if he has little chance of winning. It is still makeable.

How in the world can an undefeated, p4p #3 ranked Bradley be considered "poor opposition"? That is just crazy to suggest. Insane. Bradley is a much better win than ANYONE Floyd has beaten in YEARS. The bias and blinders that people have for Floyd is just insane.

In his defense, when Pac fought Bradley the second time, he was not the #3 p4p guy in the world.

Yes he was, he had beaten Pac n JMM n Prod. He was ranked behind Floyd n Ward.