Mike Tyson is TBE

[powerpuncher]

so on your all time p4p list, tyson is #1 and sweet pea is #2?

Lets formulate it like this:
with my current understanding of the game , Tyson is p4p No 1. I do not care to who he lost and who he won, does not matter. Technically, skillwise, he is above all. Yes, Pernell is No 2.
These guys showed THE WAY. You want to be TBE? Do it like them, move your head all the time.

your logic doesnt really make sense. i feel like you are taking one aspect of boxing that you think is very important then whoever is best at it you are saying is the best. if you are saying that tbe is based of off who moves their head the most then you are immensly underrating the art of boxing.

Do you know how much do most of people actually know about boxing?

im not sure what you are asking. maybe rephrase what you asked.

[SugarBoxing]

so on your all time p4p list, tyson is #1 and sweet pea is #2?

Lets formulate it like this:
with my current understanding of the game , Tyson is p4p No 1. I do not care to who he lost and who he won, does not matter. Technically, skillwise, he is above all. Yes, Pernell is No 2.
These guys showed THE WAY. You want to be TBE? Do it like them, move your head all the time.

your logic doesnt really make sense. i feel like you are taking one aspect of boxing that you think is very important then whoever is best at it you are saying is the best. if you are saying that tbe is based of off who moves their head the most then you are immensly underrating the art of boxing.

Do you know how much do most of people actually know about boxing?

im not sure what you are asking. maybe rephrase what you asked.

I was lurking you into this answer:
http://youtu.be/STMeQlu8jA4?t=11s

[Max Power]

Possibly TBE, but there are many "IFS".

-I think Tyson would always have knocked out LArry Holmes. Holmes struggled badly with opponents earlier than Tyson whom Mike would have simply wasted.

- Holyfield got Tyson good but there is good reason to believe that a younger faster Mike could have done him over. However, it's equally plausible that Holyfield could have also tied up that Mike too.

- Lewis bashed him, but again, it's plausible that the faster Mike could have gotten in and dropped Lewis. Then again, the Mike that fought Lewis was much stronger too so I dunno.

- Mike neer fought Riddick Bowe or either Klitschko so it's unclear how he'd perform here. Riddick had a good chin and might pull a Buster on him often, he also beat Holyfield soundly. Vitali could have made mincemeat of Tyson with reasonable opinion. Wladimir post Sanders might never allow Tyson to operate as he likes and tie him up everytime he tried to swarm. Tyson was always troubled by very tall+good fighters and these guys would be the epitome of that.

- It isn't clear how Tyson would fare against the better+bigger HW's today, he certainly would not be as effective as he was against his own 80's opponents.

- George Foreman is perhaps the only nostalgic fighter worth considering could pose potential problems for Mike but in reality, is far too slow and uncoordinated and lacking any real skills to seriously handle Tyson.

- Other than that, Mike TYson knocks out every single pre 1980's boxer, Louis, Ali, all ATG's and all champs included, without fail. Most of them in the first few rounds, beyond any doubt.

I personally rank Mike #6. Below Holyfield cause he lost to him 2ce.

With speculation that he could beat him best for best, I give him #5 below..

Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, LEnnox Lewis, Riddick Bowe- For which there is no solid evidence that he'd be able to beat.

But these would all be highly dangerous fights and he certainly COULD have beaten them!

[Max Power]

On Mike Tyson on lb for lb toplists...

Usually I would claim that no HW who has ALWAYS boxed in the unlimited division can ever rate lb for lb. Because only in the limited divisions do fighters require the complete set of boxing skills and attributes to be successful.

Therefore I would normally only consider former CW's whom were at the top of their game (David Haye, Evander Holyfield etc) who stepped up to HW as lb for lb material, because they proved their worth against guys their own size first and then stepped up to fight guys considerably larger than themselves at HW.

If I had to pick any NATURAL HW (200+) however who always boxed in the unlimited divsion, it would definitely be Mike Tyson, for a lb for lb toplist.

Whether he'd be successful with his style at CW were we to shrink him down to size though is unclear. He certainly seemed to have a great enough skillset for sure!

[SugarBoxing]

On Mike Tyson on lb for lb toplists...

Usually I would claim that no HW who has ALWAYS boxed in the unlimited division can ever rate lb for lb. Because only in the limited divisions do fighters require the complete set of boxing skills and attributes to be successful.

Therefore I would normally only consider former CW's whom were at the top of their game (David Haye, Evander Holyfield etc) who stepped up to HW as lb for lb material, because they proved their worth against guys their own size first and then stepped up to fight guys considerably larger than themselves at HW.

If I had to pick any NATURAL HW (200+) however who always boxed in the unlimited divsion, it would definitely be Mike Tyson, for a lb for lb toplist.

Whether he'd be successful with his style at CW were we to shrink him down to size though is unclear. He certainly seemed to have a great enough skillset for sure!

My point was that Mike Tyson mastered the essence of boxing science to the point, that he became too good for his time. It spoiled him.

In my opinion, technically, he was far advanced than all fighters up to this date.

[mikeeod]

Interesting perspective. I completely disagree though...

[Max Power]

On Mike Tyson on lb for lb toplists...

Usually I would claim that no HW who has ALWAYS boxed in the unlimited division can ever rate lb for lb. Because only in the limited divisions do fighters require the complete set of boxing skills and attributes to be successful.

Therefore I would normally only consider former CW's whom were at the top of their game (David Haye, Evander Holyfield etc) who stepped up to HW as lb for lb material, because they proved their worth against guys their own size first and then stepped up to fight guys considerably larger than themselves at HW.

If I had to pick any NATURAL HW (200+) however who always boxed in the unlimited divsion, it would definitely be Mike Tyson, for a lb for lb toplist.

Whether he'd be successful with his style at CW were we to shrink him down to size though is unclear. He certainly seemed to have a great enough skillset for sure!

My point was that Mike Tyson mastered the essence of boxing science to the point, that he became too good for his time. It spoiled him.

In my opinion, technically, he was far advanced than all fighters up to this date.

Oh there's absolutely no doubt about that. In fact he definitely did possess the skills necessary for a lb for lb comparison as well, now I can reflect more clearly on it.

He would have BADLY battered anything that came before as if they were nothing but bums from the street.

Alas.. Unless things have changed around here lately, you are about to earn the disrespect of a great many posters.

Stand by for the "Jack Johnson, Louis and Ali would have "TAKEN" Mike Tyson" responses LOL

[p4pking]

On Mike Tyson on lb for lb toplists...

Usually I would claim that no HW who has ALWAYS boxed in the unlimited division can ever rate lb for lb. Because only in the limited divisions do fighters require the complete set of boxing skills and attributes to be successful.

Therefore I would normally only consider former CW's whom were at the top of their game (David Haye, Evander Holyfield etc) who stepped up to HW as lb for lb material, because they proved their worth against guys their own size first and then stepped up to fight guys considerably larger than themselves at HW.

If I had to pick any NATURAL HW (200+) however who always boxed in the unlimited divsion, it would definitely be Mike Tyson, for a lb for lb toplist.

Whether he'd be successful with his style at CW were we to shrink him down to size though is unclear. He certainly seemed to have a great enough skillset for sure!

My point was that Mike Tyson mastered the essence of boxing science to the point, that he became too good for his time. It spoiled him.

In my opinion, technically, he was far advanced than all fighters up to this date.

Oh there's absolutely no doubt about that. In fact he definitely did possess the skills necessary for a lb for lb comparison as well, now I can reflect more clearly on it.

He would have BADLY battered anything that came before as if they were nothing but bums from the street.

Alas.. Unless things have changed around here lately, you are about to earn the disrespect of a great many posters.

Stand by for the "Jack Johnson, Louis and Ali would have "TAKEN" Mike Tyson" responses LOL

Nice to see you back Max! Do you still feel the indomitable pugilistic specimen that only modern training and sports science could have produced, being of course Chrs Arreola, woud have beaten everyone before Tyson as well??