Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

[Beanflicker]

I can see why Lennox didn't take the fight with Byrd because he wanted the Tyson showdown, but I still say he would have struggled heavily vs Byrd. I think Chris was a brutal matchup for him, especially at that stage of his career.

[El Kabong]

I can see why Lennox didn't take the fight with Byrd because he wanted the Tyson showdown, but I still say he would have struggled heavily vs Byrd. I think Chris was a brutal matchup for him, especially at that stage of his career.

Chris Byrd was a really good heavyweight and I hate that he doesn't get more credit. Good defense, fast hands, not much power, but he shocked a few guys out there.

[Beanflicker]

For sure, IMO one of the best pure boxers in the history of the HW division. Ballsy too. Took the fight with Vitali on 7 days notice, even in losing the first half of the fight he was making Vitali miss and frustrating him, then turned the pressure on, started hurting him with vicious body shots and started walking him down.

So even if Lennox beat him, he knew he wasn't knocking him out, he knew Chris was going to make him miss a lot, he knew Chris had no fear of him and he knew that he'd really have to work for every round and wouldn't be able to sit back and take rounds off. It's a tough fight for him, especially at that point.

[Master]

Tua beat both Ruiz and was considered more dangerous than Byrd. Lewis was made £1million and a range rover for giving up his title.

[El Kabong]

Tua beat both Ruiz and was considered more dangerous than Byrd. Lewis was made £1million and a range rover for giving up his title.

David Tua did NOT beat Chris Byrd

[Master]

Tua beat both Ruiz and was considered more dangerous than Byrd. Lewis was made £1million and a range rover for giving up his title.

David Tua did NOT beat Chris Byrd

I know I should not have put in both but most people preferred to see Tua v Lennox than either Byrd or Ruiz. John Ruiz would have been easy for Lennox like Botha was.

[Beanflicker]

Disagreed there, Ruiz wasn't great but he was leagues above Botha.

Again, I don't fault Lewis for not fighting those guys, because he could make more money fighting lesser opposition. Ruiz would have been a tough fight for him given his ugly style, and Byrd would have made him look bad, even in winning.