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    Default Re: Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

    Disagreed there, Ruiz wasn't great but he was leagues above Botha.

    Again, I don't fault Lewis for not fighting those guys, because he could make more money fighting lesser opposition. Ruiz would have been a tough fight for him given his ugly style, and Byrd would have made him look bad, even in winning.

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    Default Re: Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

    Anyway my point in bringing up Byrd was that he was a fantastic HW and Wlad beat his ass like no one else could. Wlad's beaten just about every size and style there is in the HW division.

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    Default Re: Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Disagreed there, Ruiz wasn't great but he was leagues above Botha.

    Again, I don't fault Lewis for not fighting those guys, because he could make more money fighting lesser opposition. Ruiz would have been a tough fight for him given his ugly style, and Byrd would have made him look bad, even in winning.
    Ruiz was open for an uppercut from Lennox and big right hands. He was limited and only managed to hold on to the title by fighting poor old fighters and dumb luck.
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    Default Re: Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post

    Ruiz was open for an uppercut from Lennox and big right hands. He was limited and only managed to hold on to the title by fighting poor old fighters and dumb luck.
    He was limited but he was a legit top 3 guy at the time. Botha stunk and was always a joke.

    But Ruiz was a man, he called Lewis out and called him a girl for not fighting him, and Lennox chose to fight Kirk Johnson, the guy who Ruiz had just beat, instead. I mean it's not like Ruiz was a Shannon Briggs character trying to talk himself into a fight, he was a legit champ at the time.

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    Default Re: Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post

    Ruiz was open for an uppercut from Lennox and big right hands. He was limited and only managed to hold on to the title by fighting poor old fighters and dumb luck.
    He was limited but he was a legit top 3 guy at the time. Botha stunk and was always a joke.

    But Ruiz was a man, he called Lewis out and called him a girl for not fighting him, and Lennox chose to fight Kirk Johnson, the guy who Ruiz had just beat, instead. I mean it's not like Ruiz was a Shannon Briggs character trying to talk himself into a fight, he was a legit champ at the time.
    This is exactly why Floyd wont ever get close to being recognised as the best ever. Lewis beat everyone BUT he didn't fight John Ruiz or Chris Byrd - you understand why, it's politics, it's styles, but he swerved them all the same for safer opposition.
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    Default Re: Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

    As much as I see (so and so) was afraid...but this time: really?

    Boxers for sure aren't afraid in the sense I think we fans use it.

    And Lennox Lewis wouldn't give a gosh darn about a Ruiz or a Byrd. The dude (also) took on Vitali in days notice when Kirk Johnson punked out.

    This is the same Lennox that said Now that a (PRIME) Roy who beat Ruiz is a HW champ- if he wants some he can get some...He said it on HBO.

    Not a weight drained RJJ that Tarver fought. The RJJ that is uh... quicker than Byrd, HAD more power than Byrd, freak-azz reflexes and what did RJJ say on HBO in response to that?

    "He aint got no stones in my backyard" then back peddled his butt back to the LHW division.

    Byrd was all wrong for Lewis..in what sense? In the sense he wouldn't helped ticket sells , sure...I can accept that...

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    Default Re: Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    Byrd was all wrong for Lewis..in what sense? In the sense he wouldn't helped ticket sells , sure...I can accept that...
    Bro, if you can't see the danger that Chris Byrd presented to Lewis, you need to watch more prime Chris Byrd.

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    Default Re: Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

    Yes if Wlad beats Holmes record then that will elevate him into the top 10 and and Louis record may even get top 5 if they are with the top fighters like Wilder/Stiv, Fury, Jennings and co.
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    Mentioning Roy as a heavyweight, hahahahahahahaha

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    Default Re: Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

    If he keeps winning i think we might have to put him in the top ten been champ fro ever i mean shit. Louis comp was shit but had a lot of title defenses i mean what else can i say really. Wald boring and all but he has had some good fights thing is being champ for 10 years is a hard thing to do at hw.

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    Default Re: Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the ATG heavyweights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    This is exactly why Floyd wont ever get close to being recognised as the best ever. Lewis beat everyone BUT he didn't fight John Ruiz or Chris Byrd - you understand why, it's politics, it's styles, but he swerved them all the same for safer opposition.
    Yeah but there is no champion in the history of boxing who hasn't - or wouldn't - take a smaller money fight with a tough fighter over a larger money fight with a slightly lesser opponent. Why do you think all these guys have managers and handers? Do you think these businessmen who control the fighters sit around and say "hmmm, who out there can we fight that will bring us mediocre money and pose the biggest risk to beating the shit out of our meal ticket?" Come on, lets be real here. If you can make 20 million (or whatever Lennox made) fighting 36 year old washed up Tyson, you're going to do it.

    Some people on here talk like Floyd is the first boxer in the history of the sport to calculate risk vs reward. I wish these people would read about the history of boxing so they knew what they were talking about. It's idealistic, naive child shit that really boggles my mind.

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