My Top Ten PFP as of 11-23-14

[Beanflicker]

Nice list, but where's Zou Shiming?

As soon as he knocks someone out?

Manny hasn't knocked anyone out in 5 or 6 years but he's #1 p4p apparently....

[Primo Carnera]

New Ring magazine P4P rankings:

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2. Wladimir Klitschko

3. Manny Pacquiao

4. Andre Ward

5. Tim Bradley

6. Juan Manuel Marquez

7. Roman Gonzalez

8. Guillermo Rigondeaux

9. Carl Froch

10. Saul Alvarez

IMO a few things spring to mind.
1. Andre Ward drops from 2 to 4. Bullshit , either he stays the same or drops out completely (most definitely the latter due to inactivity.)
2. No GGG.
3. Maybe Gonzalez should be higher. he shouldn't be penalised because it's a division nobody knows much about.
4. Same goes for Rigondeaux
5. Marquez and Bradley are still quite high despite defeats in their last fights while Canelo is lower yet all he did was lose to the #1.
6. Carl Froch on the List. Really? I'd Have Kovalev, GGG, Danny Garcia , Mikey Garcia and Crawford above him.
I'm sure that's not going to be popular , but hey-ho.
Like I've said before , the whole thing is Bullshit. P4P should be to judge the best fighter on the planet, and Maybe no.2 and no.3 . After that, it becomes a joke.

[holmcall]

Nice list, but where's Zou Shiming?

As soon as he knocks someone out?

Manny hasn't knocked anyone out in 5 or 6 years but he's #1 p4p apparently....

But neither has Floyd unless you count the fluke against Ortiz.

[cnote111]

Nice list, but where's Zou Shiming?

As soon as he knocks someone out?

Manny hasn't knocked anyone out in 5 or 6 years but he's #1 p4p apparently....

But neither has Floyd unless you count the fluke against Ortiz.

The rebuttal to that is always, Floyd doesn't go for ko's he just outboxes them. Which is true, but Manny doesn't load up for KO's anymore.. He's just aggressive and whatever happens happens. How can we fault Manny for not getting stops when he wins fights and gives his best effort every time... The same can't be said about Floyd. Money looks for cruise control as soon as its available to him.

Just to stay on topic:

My P4P List

1. Floyd (I hate him, but respect him)
2. Manny (His well placed KO loss has made him a smarter fighter to date and still has plenty in the tank)
3. Ward (Most Talented inactive fighter in history)
4. Rigondeaux (One of the most gifted fighters of this generation, Hoping for Santa Cruz so I can prove this ranking)
5. Marquez (His age has finally caught up with him, but what a tactician)
6. GGG (He will move up soon enough, waiting for the right opponent to prove it)
7. Roman Gonzales (Lower weight makes it tough, but deserves top 10)
8. Mikey Garcia (I know i'll catch grief, but this guy has solid fundamentals and next to no weaknesses)
9. Sergey Kovalev (Just Dangerous)
10. 3-Way Tie (Wlad, Saul, Bradley)

Knocking on the door: Danny Garcia, Miguel Cotto, Terrence Crawford

[holmcall]

Nice list, but where's Zou Shiming?

As soon as he knocks someone out?

Manny hasn't knocked anyone out in 5 or 6 years but he's #1 p4p apparently....

But neither has Floyd unless you count the fluke against Ortiz.

The rebuttal to that is always, Floyd doesn't go for ko's he just outboxes them. Which is true, but Manny doesn't load up for KO's anymore.. He's just aggressive and whatever happens happens. How can we fault Manny for not getting stops when he wins fights and gives his best effort every time... The same can't be said about Floyd. Money looks for cruise control as soon as its available to him.

Just to stay on topic:

My P4P List

1. Floyd (I hate him, but respect him)
2. Manny (His well placed KO loss has made him a smarter fighter to date and still has plenty in the tank)
3. Ward (Most Talented inactive fighter in history)
4. Rigondeaux (One of the most gifted fighters of this generation, Hoping for Santa Cruz so I can prove this ranking)
5. Marquez (His age has finally caught up with him, but what a tactician)
6. GGG (He will move up soon enough, waiting for the right opponent to prove it)
7. Roman Gonzales (Lower weight makes it tough, but deserves top 10)
8. Mikey Garcia (I know i'll catch grief, but this guy has solid fundamentals and next to no weaknesses)
9. Sergey Kovalev (Just Dangerous)
10. 3-Way Tie (Wlad, Saul, Bradley)

Knocking on the door: Danny Garcia, Miguel Cotto, Terrence Crawford

Very good, Mikey Garcia is an interesting inclusion and I like your using a tie. Ward must go. Fight or leave. Otherwise, good stuff

[Beanflicker]

But neither has Floyd unless you count the fluke against Ortiz.

Ok so neither of them belong in the top 5.

[Silkeyjoe]

I dont see how someone who has lost 2 of their last 5 can be number one. Also cant see how a guy who is 3-1 can be anywhere near the list. Its hard to justify him as a top 5 feather let alone a top P4Pr.

[holmcall]

I dont see how someone who has lost 2 of their last 5 can be number one. Also cant see how a guy who is 3-1 can be anywhere near the list. Its hard to justify him as a top 5 feather let alone a top P4Pr.

First, Pac did not lose to Bradley. We all know that so his record is really 4-1. As for Lomachenko, an amateur record of 396-1 and he avenged the loss twice. A world champion after 3 pro fights. Beats a guy with a 52-1 record using one hand. gets hosed against Salido who weighed a lot more and who fought dirty and who was seconds away from being waxed.


No. I have no issue with Pac tied with Mayweather based on a snapshot of what is going on RIGHT NOW.