Switching Stance

[powerpuncher]

I've always thought this is for undisciplined boxer/fighters or showing off. It is a cardinal sin IMO. You can get away with doing it against lesser fighter but you are putting yourself in danger and it is only a matter of time a quality opponent proves this to you.

Orthodox to southpaw? yes, it is pretty advanced. However, guys like Hagler!, Pirog, Hamed and some other english boxers prove it is possible and can be effective

Meanwhile, many fighters use mutliple stances: orthodox, crunch, peekaboo in the same fight. Watch Tyson for instance.

pirog? seriously?

[SugarBoxing]

I've always thought this is for undisciplined boxer/fighters or showing off. It is a cardinal sin IMO. You can get away with doing it against lesser fighter but you are putting yourself in danger and it is only a matter of time a quality opponent proves this to you.

Orthodox to southpaw? yes, it is pretty advanced. However, guys like Hagler!, Pirog, Hamed and some other english boxers prove it is possible and can be effective

Meanwhile, many fighters use mutliple stances: orthodox, crunch, peekaboo in the same fight. Watch Tyson for instance.

pirog? seriously?

Jacob KO?

[Andre]

I cant remember the last fighter I saw use it as an actual working technique against over commitment,maybe Roy but he went more squarish to lure them in nail them on the move and swoop out the opposite way.
Nazes leg flexibility and strength allowed him to stay close and use it for leverage too.

The rest of the time its annoying to watch and mostly done at a safe distance then re-engaging. Cant believe they dont get caught out more right on the change when doing it for no reason. (specially switching back and forwards ). I bet no one is taught how to read it coming or how to deal with it mid stride when they are open and not set in a stance.

Dropping coiling then launching at them with the rear hand into a flying hook into the side they are turning to will catch their feet parallel to the direction of your force,thats just one way for distance. Or to react up close like following a dance partner in, but cracking them with your lead mid their step.

[walrus]

Crawford seemed comfortable changing up but he was able to keep Beltran at a distance it gave him a lot of latitude. Shiming does it every other punch but as soon as he faces a worthy opponent I think that will change.

[Maravilla2012]

Crawford is probably the best at doing it at the moment. If a guy hasn't learned to switch and is in the middle of a fight then it'd be bad for him to try it but if he's learned to do it and can do it effectively ( Crawford) then why not. He was losing against Gamboa too before he switch and started dropping him.

[fan johnny]

Crawford seemed comfortable changing up but he was able to keep Beltran at a distance it gave him a lot of latitude. Shiming does it every other punch but as soon as he faces a worthy opponent I think that will change.

That right from the southpaw stance looked pretty amazing to me against Beltran. It was way faster and had more power than when he used his left as lead. I noticed his left had nothing on it in the Gamboa fight. He didn't seem to be able to sit down and throw the left with anything on it and certainly didn't turn his hips. I also dont recall him thowing any good lefts from that southpaw stance against Beltran which he used most of the fight but I'd have to take another look.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Bit of a rant but I'm all for switching stances. I wish I could see more fighters, doing it more often.

IMO it just seems like a terrible lack of skill that 95% of fighters aren't comfortable with it. It's an incredibly useful component of boxing.

The way I see it, you should be taught from the very start. No excuses. You have to work the angles... angles form different lengths. So many instances where switching, if only briefly, is the next logical step.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that to me - when you consider what makes boxing, boxing, it belies logic that a fighter won't attempt to switch... But then I guess it's in the same reasoning as to why most fighters won't fight with a low left hand (for example). The 'importance' as well as the constraints of it, just needs to be taught, fully.

Anyway, it would appear that most fighters that come out of the Ingle camp are usually very proficient fighting out of both stances.

Their latest little star Kid Galahad is amazing at it. Not very strong, not very quick but definitely a highly skilled Ingle fighter.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Dropping coiling then launching at them with the rear hand into a flying hook into the side they are turning to will catch their feet parallel to the direction of your force,thats just one way for distance.

Exactly Andre.

To add to this, I have seen many times, an orthodox fighter try to throw the right hand as 'send-off' as the opponent is moving across them but remain in an orthodox stance only to get nailed with something in return. Usually fighters who are not as athletic as they think.

If they did as you mention, they would actually be better equipped to defend themselves.

[powerpuncher]

I've always thought this is for undisciplined boxer/fighters or showing off. It is a cardinal sin IMO. You can get away with doing it against lesser fighter but you are putting yourself in danger and it is only a matter of time a quality opponent proves this to you.

Orthodox to southpaw? yes, it is pretty advanced. However, guys like Hagler!, Pirog, Hamed and some other english boxers prove it is possible and can be effective

Meanwhile, many fighters use mutliple stances: orthodox, crunch, peekaboo in the same fight. Watch Tyson for instance.

pirog? seriously?

Jacob KO?

I know but this is supposed to be fighters being able to do it on an elite level. Pirogs claim to fame was beating Jacobs and that's all.

[IamInuit]

Odd that the converted southpaws never switched back in their fights save Cotto who looked lost when he did. Cooney never did, Basilio, Oscar, Tyson etc.

Even Winky who was a converted right hander never went orthodox in his fights. Its a real smart move for those that have worked on it for certain styles. It was a perfect game plan for both Fury and Crawford given the two rinse and repeat one handed fighters they were about to have a go with and judging by what I saw, both Beltran and Chisora looked like deer in the headlights for the duration.

[walrus]

Odd that the converted southpaws never switched back in their fights save Cotto who looked lost when he did. Cooney never did, Basilio, Oscar, Tyson etc.

Even Winky who was a converted right hander never went orthodox in his fights. Its a real smart move for those that have worked on it for certain styles. It was a perfect game plan for both Fury and Crawford given the two rinse and repeat one handed fighters they were about to have a go with and judging by what I saw, both Beltran and Chisora looked like deer in the headlights for the duration.

Beltran looked like a shitty fighter which he is not. I was actually cringing for the guy. I wanted him to win.

[IamInuit]

Odd that the converted southpaws never switched back in their fights save Cotto who looked lost when he did. Cooney never did, Basilio, Oscar, Tyson etc.

Even Winky who was a converted right hander never went orthodox in his fights. Its a real smart move for those that have worked on it for certain styles. It was a perfect game plan for both Fury and Crawford given the two rinse and repeat one handed fighters they were about to have a go with and judging by what I saw, both Beltran and Chisora looked like deer in the headlights for the duration.

Beltran looked like a shitty fighter which he is not. I was actually cringing for the guy. I wanted him to win.

In fairness though it was not just the switch that made him look like his feet were nailed to the floor. Incredible hand speed and punch selection by Crawford and backed up by great movement and anticipation. Beltran met the perfect storm.


On a side note its interesting that he's the 135 WBO champ who is moving to 140 and that they just stripped Chris of his 140 for fighting for their 147 against Manny who is now rumoured to be going to 140. Nah they would never match Manny and Crawford would they?