What Era had the Most Talented HeavyWeights?

[Master]

Gene Tunney more skilled than the Klitschko brothers, that's hilarious.

You really have a blind spot for old time fighters. Have you seen Gene boxer?

From the first round to the last he fought at a good pace. He was very skilled boxer. The guy had a ton of heart to get through Grebb beating. Tunney retired rich and famous what more could you ask for in a heavyweight champion.

[Mr140]

OH come on now Tunney is a great fighter ahead of his time but for fuck sack one jab for Wlad and its over pretty fucking much. The hw division is not like others there no limit to it and fuckers have gotten bigger since the 1920's. Reason i have respect for Holyfeild he actually moved up and beat monsters. I mean dont get me wrong Tunney is a great fighter but i rank him more as a lhw then a hw today think he be ok at lhw but put him in with skilled big guy who out weighs him 50 to 60 pounds the guy is kinda fucked pretty much dude.

[Bill Paxtom]

"1968"

Joe Frazier
Jimmy Ellis
Oscar Bonavena
Sonny Liston
Jerry Quarry
Floyd Patterson
Leotis Martin
Thad Spencer
Buster Mathis
Manuel Ramos
Karl Mildenberger
Henry Cooper
Gregorio Peralta
Al Jones
Eduardo Corletti
Al 'Blue' Lewis
George Chuvalo
Robert Cleroux
Dave Zyglewicz
Mac Foster
Luis Pires
Cleveland Williams
Zora Folley
Tony Doyle
Jack Bodell

C'mon Man

[SlimTrae]

OH come on now Tunney is a great fighter ahead of his time but for fuck sack one jab for Wlad and its over pretty fucking much. The hw division is not like others there no limit to it and fuckers have gotten bigger since the 1920's. Reason i have respect for Holyfeild he actually moved up and beat monsters. I mean dont get me wrong Tunney is a great fighter but i rank him more as a lhw then a hw today think he be ok at lhw but put him in with skilled big guy who out weighs him 50 to 60 pounds the guy is kinda fucked pretty much dude.

hahaha...friggin hilarious.
oh, good points as well

[SlimTrae]

Roy jones won the HW title @ 190lbs.
Sure Tunney in theory isnt Rjj, and Ruiz wasnt the best of his era, but it should factor in:If Tunney was ahead of his time then, same for today.
Even Floyd Patterson was considered small for his day, but if there is an example of a small man hanging with the best, I feel Tunney would've been that example over Patterson as well as Marciano. All threee didnt weigh much, but I think...Tunney would have the most success in any era as a small HW.

[Max Power]

Roy jones won the HW title @ 190lbs.
Sure Tunney in theory isnt Rjj, and Ruiz wasnt the best of his era, but it should factor in:If Tunney was ahead of his time then, same for today.
Even Floyd Patterson was considered small for his day, but if there is an example of a small man hanging with the best, I feel Tunney would've been that example over Patterson as well as Marciano. All threee didnt weigh much, but I think...Tunney would have the most success in any era as a small HW.

Roy Jones Jr. was required to weight 200lbs but happened to come in a little lighter than that at weigh in, upper 190's!

Roy Jones Jr. would have run rings and bent around Tunney for as long as he liked and knocked him cold.

Ruiz was a weak champion but he could have EASILY beaten Tunney.

There isn't a modern boxer of any reasonable lever today at HW that Tunney could beat.

SEEEEERiously! LOL

[Beanflicker]

Gene Tunney more skilled than the Klitschko brothers, that's hilarious.

You really have a blind spot for old time fighters. Have you seen Gene boxer?

From the first round to the last he fought at a good pace. He was very skilled boxer. The guy had a ton of heart to get through Grebb beating. Tunney retired rich and famous what more could you ask for in a heavyweight champion.

It's like anything, man, things evolve. When Gene was champ, boxing had been around as we know it (kind of) for what, 30 years? Boxing evolved. He was great for his time, but that style is obsolete. I've seen every Gene fight put on film, you watch those guys and guys that came after them and it's no comparison.

[IamInuit]

Gene Tunney more skilled than the Klitschko brothers, that's hilarious.

You really have a blind spot for old time fighters. Have you seen Gene boxer?

From the first round to the last he fought at a good pace. He was very skilled boxer. The guy had a ton of heart to get through Grebb beating. Tunney retired rich and famous what more could you ask for in a heavyweight champion.

It's like anything, man, things evolve. When Gene was champ, boxing had been around as we know it (kind of) for what, 30 years? Boxing evolved. He was great for his time, but that style is obsolete. I've seen every Gene fight put on film, you watch those guys and guys that came after them and it's no comparison.

Lol. You think boxing started in 1990 and have no clue how good Tunney was. And again with the film shit. Don't you know how dumb that premise is? There is no film of countless things that are accepted as fact or likely.The same great fighters of past eras would be great today. And if you think anyone is going to look back at footage of Wlad and claim that he was some technical guru while at the same time dismissing Tunney then you are more delusional about past eras then I thought. This is the worst heavyweight division since John L Sullivan and the worst one that I have witnessed in 45 years. Not because I'm lost in the past but because it is period. Half of these clowns cant even fight for 5 rounds. Its pathetic.

[Beanflicker]

Lol. You think boxing started in 1990 and have no clue how good Tunney was. And again with the film shit. Don't you know how dumb that premise is? There is no film of countless things that are accepted as fact or likely.The same great fighters of past eras would be great today. And if you think anyone is going to look back at footage of Wlad and claim that he was some technical guru while at the same time dismissing Tunney then you are more delusional about past eras then I thought. This is the worst heavyweight division since John L Sullivan and the worst one that I have witnessed in 45 years. Not because I'm lost in the past but because it is period. Half of these clowns cant even fight for 5 rounds. Its pathetic.

Bro all I can do is give fighters the "eye" test. He was a solid fighter, he boxed well, he was good defensively, light on his feet and tied guys up on the inside when he had to. I have no problems with Tunney, I just fail to see what he did better than Wlad in any area. He employed a style that is very outdated, in the same way that guys like Tunney would laugh at a John L Sullivan with his dumb bare-knuckle stance.

I'm a naturally skeptical person, I like forming my own opinions about things, and I don't take the opinions of so-called experts as fact. There's too many people who have this rosy view of old timers that clouds their judgement, they get really romantic over these guys who had to fight 300 times in a career. And in the end, they think it makes them smart to regurgitate what the "experts" say to constantly show people "hey, look at me, I know my boxing history". To me it's just so lame.

I appreciate guys like Tunney and Dempsey because they are pioneers who pushed the sport forward. Just like I appreciate guitarists like Mississippi John Hurt, Les Paul, Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, ect because they were guys who pushed the art forward and allowed those who came after them to build on what they had done. But I'm not going to act like their ability is the same as guitarists today. You can go on Youtube and see 14 year old kids who can play better than Jimi or EVH.

[Beanflicker]

And to your statement...

"Don't you know how dumb that premise is? There is no film of countless things that are accepted as fact or likely."

Do I really have to go into the staggering amount of bullshit that was and/or is continued to be passed in society as fact?

We still have laws and rules that are guided by the teachings of an imaginary man in the sky for fucks sakes

[Silkeyjoe]

And to your statement...

"Don't you know how dumb that premise is? There is no film of countless things that are accepted as fact or likely."

Do I really have to go into the staggering amount of bullshit that was and/or is continued to be passed in society as fact?

We still have laws and rules that are guided by the teachings of an imaginary man in the sky for fucks sakes

Brilliant. You are like me, have to see it to believe it.

[IamInuit]

And to your statement...

"Don't you know how dumb that premise is? There is no film of countless things that are accepted as fact or likely."

Do I really have to go into the staggering amount of bullshit that was and/or is continued to be passed in society as fact?

We still have laws and rules that are guided by the teachings of an imaginary man in the sky for fucks sakes

Like I said, probably the dumbest premise in boxing. "I have to see it" Now apply that flawed belief to everything. Its inane. Its like dismissing all of human history.

I cant be bothered. Total waste of time. Every once in awhile I will call you a dufus but other then that fill your boots. You probably think Beiber is better then the Band and that the acting in Star Trek is better then To Kill a Mocking Bird.

[IamInuit]

Robinson was a different fighter at 160 then 147 but because there is no footage of him at 147 but a scratchy fight with Fusari where he looks odd so he sucked. Why he is in the top of the 147 lists is beyond me.

Why Joe Gans and Langford are rated so highly is also a puzzle along with the other 100 who remain on Atg status through the ages with little or no footage. Even those who did see them are blind.

[Beanflicker]

Like I said, probably the dumbest premise in boxing. "I have to see it" Now apply that flawed belief to everything. Its inane. Its like dismissing all of human history.

I cant be bothered. Total waste of time. Every once in awhile I will call you a dufus but other then that fill your boots. You probably think Beiber is better then the Band and that the acting in Star Trek is better then To Kill a Mocking Bird.

You always get huffy, go back to the same old stock ad hominem and accuse me of not knowing anything about boxing pre-1990, you insult my judgement/taste, but you never engage and offer anything of substance to back up your opinion.

It's not an "I Have to see it" argument. We have tape on Wlad, we have tape on Tunney. Gene had some wars with Greb, but what's his most famous fight? The fight considered to be his proudest moment? The fight with Dempsey. We have that on tape.



I'd love for someone to tell me what exactly he does better than Wlad. I'm not interested in statistics, records, whatever, I'd love for someone who understands the art of boxing to tell me what he does better than Wlad. He was a better mover and more agile, that's for sure, given his much smaller size. But what did he do technically that was so much better than Wlad?