Gene Tunney is not an all time great HW

[Beanflicker]

LOL "Punks like Tunney", I like your style.

Yes everybody intuitively knows that Stiv and Wilder would knock any of those guys out with the first connected, off centre jab LOL.

I don't think Tunney or Dempsey could really have made an impact on the light HW division today, they don't have all around skills.

I think Kovalev would have knocked them out and the Andre Ward of a few years back clowned them.

When I was a boxing n00b and was ranting a raving about Tyson, all the old timer so called boxing experts would say "Pshhh, if you think Tyson could punch, you need to watch Dempsey vs Willard. Then watch Earnie Shavers. Those guys hit ten times harder than Tyson".

It didn't take long to realize that most of these so called experts just have a hard on for old dudes and these guys were overrated.

Dempsey looked like a fucking amateur throwing those wild haymakers at a Willard, who I am convinced had Down Syndrome or some shit. Dempsey sucked and Earnie Shavers sucked even harder (I know Shavers wasn't mentioned in this thread but fuck him anyway).

Dempsey was a punk, he pimped out his prostitute wife, dodged the war (like he dodged black fighters), and people want to ooh and ahh over his shovel hook. Yeesh.

[Max Power]

LOL "Punks like Tunney", I like your style.

Yes everybody intuitively knows that Stiv and Wilder would knock any of those guys out with the first connected, off centre jab LOL.

I don't think Tunney or Dempsey could really have made an impact on the light HW division today, they don't have all around skills.

I think Kovalev would have knocked them out and the Andre Ward of a few years back clowned them.

When I was a boxing n00b and was ranting a raving about Tyson, all the old timer so called boxing experts would say "Pshhh, if you think Tyson could punch, you need to watch Dempsey vs Willard. Then watch Earnie Shavers. Those guys hit ten times harder than Tyson".

It didn't take long to realize that most of these so called experts just have a hard on for old dudes and these guys were overrated.

Dempsey looked like a fucking amateur throwing those wild haymakers at a Willard, who I am convinced had Down Syndrome or some shit. Dempsey sucked and Earnie Shavers sucked even harder (I know Shavers wasn't mentioned in this thread but fuck him anyway).

Dempsey was a punk, he pimped out his prostitute wife, dodged the war (like he dodged black fighters), and people want to ooh and ahh over his shovel hook. Yeesh.

Haha brilliant, every word, Dempsey, Shaver the lot!

Yes, I also grew up with Tyson and when all the oldies told me about prior boxers being greater, I thought to myself fuck, they must have been absolutely unreal!

It was many years later that I actually got a chance to watch them and to say that I was grossly misinformed is a mild understatement to say the least.

Personally I find most of those old fights unwatchable for any but educational purposes.

[Master]

Will you two girls get a room and stop making this stuff up.

Dempsey and Tunney champions in their time.

Golden era of boxing in terms of mainstream appeal in the Us.

[Bill Paxtom]

Gene Tunney

"I'm smart first, and a boxer second."

[Beanflicker]

Will you two girls get a room and stop making this stuff up.

Dempsey and Tunney champions in their time.

Golden era of boxing in terms of mainstream appeal in the Us.

What am I making up, ya'll need to read "A Flame of Pure Fire", which is a pro-Dempsey book but outlines a lot of the stupid shit he was up to.

It's fine to like those old times, everyone was wearing a suit and a top hat, cool whatever, but you have to acknowledge the fact that these punks belonged to the "Boy's Club" at the time which feasted on bums and conveniently excluded black fighters.

[Master]

I was on about Max saying Kov would knock Dempsey and Tunney out and Ward beating them as well.

[Beanflicker]

I was on about Max saying Kov would knock Dempsey and Tunney out and Ward beating them as well.

He's 100% right. Ward is twice the fighter either of those guys were. Tunney got whipped and given hell a few times by a middleweight, I don't see why Ward couldn't do the same thing.

And Kov is a better puncher than Dempsey was.

[Master]

I was on about Max saying Kov would knock Dempsey and Tunney out and Ward beating them as well.

He's 100% right. Ward is twice the fighter either of those guys were. Tunney got whipped and given hell a few times by a middleweight, I don't see why Ward couldn't do the same thing.

And Kov is a better puncher than Dempsey was.

Who whipped Tunney twice?

Kov is a good puncher but Dempsey was vicious.

[Max Power]

I was on about Max saying Kov would knock Dempsey and Tunney out and Ward beating them as well.

On what grounds do you think an in form Ward could not outbox those guys?

On what grounds do you think those guys could survive a fight with Kovalev?