Mayweather was full of sh*t tonight bashing Pacman on Showtime...

[Fenster]

Pac nut huggers can say what they want but they can't change or twist facts: everything was agreed on - money, venue, rights, ect. Only one thing remained: the drug testing issue. Floyd wanted a 14 day cut off date, Manny wanted a 24 day cut off date. That was the sole sticking point and the reason the fight never happened.

If Manny had agreed to a 14 day cut off date for the drug testing, this fight would have happened 4 years ago. He didn't. He felt that having blood drawn as close as two weeks before a fight would be way too traumatic for a boxing warrior to recover from... even though Floyd would have had to have taken the same test. So the fight never happened.

Pac fans will always say "OH WHO IS FLOYD TO DEMAND SPECIAL STIPULATIONS, HE JUST DID THAT SO THE FIGHT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN", ironically ignoring the fact that Pac also demands his own special stipulations (Mayweather would have had to turn over several million dollars for every pound he came in over the limit, and every other Pac fight seems to be at a special catch weight).

Well, those "special stipulations" that Floyd demanded 4 years ago have pretty much become standard practice since, and Manny has since participated in it in several of his fights afterwards, so I guess it wasn't too outrageous for Floyd to demand it.

Also, when you have a guy who's camp "allegedly" (reported by several very credible sources) enquired as to A) what the penalty for testing positive would be and B) if a positive test could be kept secret... it might be best to make that guy take a stringent drug test.

The facts favour Floyd, people who claim Floyd ducked him never have any logic for their opinion, they just think that if they say it often enough it'll be true. But it's not, it's stupidity.

I'm not saying Floyd "ducked" Pac - but just the fact that Floyd required "special stipulations" that he'd never required before could be construed as he didn't want to fight Pac.

Who were the "credible sources" that claimed Pac's camp asked about the punishment for a positive test?

[ruthless rocco]

I'm not saying Floyd "ducked" Pac - but just the fact that Floyd required "special stipulations" that he'd never required before could be construed as he didn't want to fight Pac.

The fact that Floyd required "special stipulations" shows that Floyd believes Manny was using PEDs. It can't be construed as not wanting to fight Manny.

The fact that Manny refused the testing and turned down a $100 million payday suggests he was a dirty fighter.

[Fenster]

Floyd "believes" Pac was dirty. There's no evidence as he never tested positive. Which means Floyd "money" Mayweather refused a $100 million payday (i'm not sure they were actually each making that much) because of what? He was obviously worried about facing Pac. Worried enough that he would pass on his biggest payday ever.

[Andre]

Floyd "believes" Pac was dirty. There's no evidence as he never tested positive. Which means Floyd "money" Mayweather refused a $100 million payday (i'm not sure they were actually each making that much) because of what? He was obviously worried about facing Pac. Worried enough that he would pass on his biggest payday ever.

That drawing blood shit was just shit too.
Both fighters draw it ;even timing, even amount drawn. No problem.

I recon the world got played by both of them because if they had fought back then boxing would of lost all the fights one or both have had since not fighting each other, which is huge cash and turn over.

Two king$ $ are better than one.

We've been had.

Fuck them both.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd "believes" Pac was dirty. There's no evidence as he never tested positive. Which means Floyd "money" Mayweather refused a $100 million payday (i'm not sure they were actually each making that much) because of what? He was obviously worried about facing Pac. Worried enough that he would pass on his biggest payday ever.

There was no evidence that Luis Resto used doctored gloves to disfigure and end the career of Billy Collins Jr until Collins' dad just happened to touch his glove after the fight. There was no evidence of guys like Mosley, Holyfield, Gamboa, ect using steroids until the FBI busted a steroid ring and found their names on receipts.

Even when a test DOES bust someone... it busts someone AFTER THE FIGHT when the damage is already done.

Lets say, hypothetically, Floyd and Manny fought 4 years ago, Manny was juiced to the gills, beat the shit out of Floyd, knocked him out cold in the 8th after 8 rounds of punishment, then tested positive so the result is changed from a KO win to a NO CONTEST.

What's the recourse for Floyd? You can't undo the physical/brain damage done, you can't undo the fact that millions of people saw him get his ass beat. You can't calculate the many millions of dollars lost if that beating ends Floyd's career, or when his earning potential is greatly diminished after the world watches him get his ass beat.

You don't think Floyd should have a right to be apprehensive?

[Fenster]

Floyd "believes" Pac was dirty. There's no evidence as he never tested positive. Which means Floyd "money" Mayweather refused a $100 million payday (i'm not sure they were actually each making that much) because of what? He was obviously worried about facing Pac. Worried enough that he would pass on his biggest payday ever.

There was no evidence that Luis Resto used doctored gloves to disfigure and end the career of Billy Collins Jr until Collins' dad just happened to touch his glove after the fight. There was no evidence of guys like Mosley, Holyfield, Gamboa, ect using steroids until the FBI busted a steroid ring and found their names on receipts.

Even when a test DOES bust someone... it busts someone AFTER THE FIGHT when the damage is already done.

Lets say, hypothetically, Floyd and Manny fought 4 years ago, Manny was juiced to the gills, beat the shit out of Floyd, knocked him out cold in the 8th after 8 rounds of punishment, then tested positive so the result is changed from a KO win to a NO CONTEST.

What's the recourse for Floyd? You can't undo the physical/brain damage done, you can't undo the fact that millions of people saw him get his ass beat. You can't calculate the many millions of dollars lost if that beating ends Floyd's career, or when his earning potential is greatly diminished after the world watches him get his ass beat.

You don't think Floyd should have a right to be apprehensive?

If Floyd doesn't want to fight Manny that's his prerogative. However, some could construe it as Floyd "ducked" Manny because he "believed" Manny was too good at that particular point, and convinced himself it was down to juice, even though he can't prove it. That's all i'm saying.

[Beanflicker]

I'm not saying Floyd "ducked" Pac - but just the fact that Floyd required "special stipulations" that he'd never required before could be construed as he didn't want to fight Pac.

Who were the "credible sources" that claimed Pac's camp asked about the punishment for a positive test?

Well let's get it straight here, when we say "special stipulations", it sounds like Floyd is demanding something that would give him a competitive advantage, like a catch weight (we know how Manny loves those) or some kind of special rule that would favour him. His special stipulation was something that would simply guarantee both guys were fighting without the aid of banned substances. It was something both guys would have to go through, and it simply kept either guy from doping. Is that such a terrible thing to ask for? If we know that the standard piss test is pretty much useless for catching cheats (we do) and we know that the commission has a terrible track record of catching cheats and protecting the fighters (we do), why not put something in place to protect yourself and keep the sport clean? Why is that so diabolical?

These "special stipulations" have since become the norm. Floyd has done it in every fight since, and a lot of top combat sport athletes have jumped on board, including Manny, Bradley, Provodnikov, Donaire, Rigondeaux, Canelo, Mosley, La Bamba Rodriguez, ect ect. So if Floyd was ahead of his time, why is he still catching shit for it?

And Teddy Atlas I consider to be a credible source. He wouldn't have reported it if he hadn't gotten the info from someone he could trust.

[Fenster]

Teddy Atlas I consider to be a credible source. He wouldn't have reported it if he hadn't gotten the info from someone he could trust.

Did the Floyd camp confirm it? I assume Pac's camp denied it? Paulie Malignaggi has insinuated Shawn Porter was juicing ever since he got knocked out but there's no proof as of yet.